Why do you love Honda's?
Discussion
I had a musing today, comparing a 1995 Honda with a 1995 Ford. Say no more. Ford's range may be good now, but compare that to say 10-15 years ago, and it was woeful. My dream stable of Honda's is almost complete. The Beat is on its way, the NSX maybe next year, and the EG civic I'm currently sourcing to play with for a runaround (albeit with a B16 and some Jap rims and BYS kit!) Newer Honda's.. don't float my boat whatsoever, too sterile.
rsstman said:
Yugguy said:
Newer does NOT mean better...
well actually with cars it generally does. faster, safer, more economical, just as much fun, better inside, better outside, stop me when ive proved my point, more grip, more reliable, better build quality, faster on a track, faster on a road....etc etc.the ONLY better thing about older cars is they generally weigh less.
or are you saying old hondas are better than new ones?
i KNOW old fords are not better than new ones, and the same with mercedes, bmw`s, renaults, ferrari`s, nissans, shall i go on?
maybe peugeots are the one exception to the rule but then there is always one.
In a crash I think I would take the ST though
my CRX isn't exactly built to take impacts 
Eddh said:
rsstman said:
Yugguy said:
Newer does NOT mean better...
well actually with cars it generally does. faster, safer, more economical, just as much fun, better inside, better outside, stop me when ive proved my point, more grip, more reliable, better build quality, faster on a track, faster on a road....etc etc.the ONLY better thing about older cars is they generally weigh less.
or are you saying old hondas are better than new ones?
i KNOW old fords are not better than new ones, and the same with mercedes, bmw`s, renaults, ferrari`s, nissans, shall i go on?
maybe peugeots are the one exception to the rule but then there is always one.
In a crash I think I would take the ST though
my CRX isn't exactly built to take impacts 
te drivers into thinking they are somewhat gifted. I'd rather pilot my car with my beautiful and rare Mugen SW3 wheel which fits like a glove, than some lardy ballooned plastic remote steering device, and actually feel the road. If i totaled up the current market price of the Mugen bits on my car i could probably buy an ST haha!Rstson son, Newer does NOT mean better.
My old ZS180, based on a 90s Civic, still is one of the best handling FWD cars you can get. It actually had more feedback through the steering wheel than my 172, altho I think point to point the 172 would be faster.
You seem to miss the point completely - I am NOT saying old cars are better than new, simply that you are wrong if you think that newer always means better. As I said before a lot of people think the best ever M3 was the M3 Evo, made in the late 90s. No, it isn't as fast as brand new M3, but again, faster doesn't automatically mean better. Again, a lot of people don't think the new Mazda MX5, which is faster than the older ones, is as much fun to drive.
Look at this thread, look how many people love this car, more than love modern Saabs I'd say...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
My old ZS180, based on a 90s Civic, still is one of the best handling FWD cars you can get. It actually had more feedback through the steering wheel than my 172, altho I think point to point the 172 would be faster.
You seem to miss the point completely - I am NOT saying old cars are better than new, simply that you are wrong if you think that newer always means better. As I said before a lot of people think the best ever M3 was the M3 Evo, made in the late 90s. No, it isn't as fast as brand new M3, but again, faster doesn't automatically mean better. Again, a lot of people don't think the new Mazda MX5, which is faster than the older ones, is as much fun to drive.
Look at this thread, look how many people love this car, more than love modern Saabs I'd say...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by Yugguy on Wednesday 17th September 12:02
Yugguy said:
Look at this thread, look how many people love this car, more than love modern Saabs I'd say...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
900 Turbos were truely ledgendry cars though http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by Yugguy on Wednesday 17th September 12:02
Family has had 3 of them!SkinnyBoy said:
Thing is you are unlikely to crash the CRX!
I'm not so sure 180 bhp through the front wheels (delivered via an aggressive turbo) in something that is going to weigh well under a tonne. Also on LSD or powersteering it could get a bit interesting at some points!Nice prelude btw I have a 4th gen 2.2 VTEC that is a write off
However might use the engine in my next project, was supposed to be going in the CRX but decieded to go the turbo route, might put it in a 4th Gen Civic now 
Yugguy said:
Rstson son, Newer does NOT mean better.
My old ZS180, based on a 90s Civic, still is one of the best handling FWD cars you can get. It actually had more feedback through the steering wheel than my 172, altho I think point to point the 172 would be faster.
You seem to miss the point completely - I am NOT saying old cars are better than new, simply that you are wrong if you think that newer always means better. As I said before a lot of people think the best ever M3 was the M3 Evo, made in the late 90s. No, it isn't as fast as brand new M3, but again, faster doesn't automatically mean better. Again, a lot of people don't think the new Mazda MX5, which is faster than the older ones, is as much fun to drive.
Look at this thread, look how many people love this car, more than love modern Saabs I'd say...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
i believe i never said that all new cars were better than old ones, just about 80% of them (maybe more). and i will just take all your honda obsessed opinions that a focus st is sMy old ZS180, based on a 90s Civic, still is one of the best handling FWD cars you can get. It actually had more feedback through the steering wheel than my 172, altho I think point to point the 172 would be faster.
You seem to miss the point completely - I am NOT saying old cars are better than new, simply that you are wrong if you think that newer always means better. As I said before a lot of people think the best ever M3 was the M3 Evo, made in the late 90s. No, it isn't as fast as brand new M3, but again, faster doesn't automatically mean better. Again, a lot of people don't think the new Mazda MX5, which is faster than the older ones, is as much fun to drive.
Look at this thread, look how many people love this car, more than love modern Saabs I'd say...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by Yugguy on Wednesday 17th September 12:02
t and boring rather than my own experience and the experiences of ALL car magazines in the uk and ALL tv car shows in the uk as they rate them very highly. oh no sorry your biassed opinions mean nothing to anyone, i think will go with the views of the pros.and i am sure the only time any non honda obsessed car enthusiast would take a prelude over almost any new car will be if the want to park in places and not give a s
t about it getting dings and scratches, i.e living in london. i know i would. and no i didnt pay 20k for mine i got a very generous discount from my uncle who worked at ford and my car 18 months on is only worth about a grand less than i paid, but thanks for asking.
i like hondas guys but theres having respect for the brand (as i do)and then theres obsession, whereby you think a scrap ready car is better than another marques brand new top model. its like saying id take a 1991 ford probe over a new civic type-r anyday (im sure some ridiculous ford enthusiasts would say that.)
rsstman said:
Yugguy said:
Rstson son, Newer does NOT mean better.
My old ZS180, based on a 90s Civic, still is one of the best handling FWD cars you can get. It actually had more feedback through the steering wheel than my 172, altho I think point to point the 172 would be faster.
You seem to miss the point completely - I am NOT saying old cars are better than new, simply that you are wrong if you think that newer always means better. As I said before a lot of people think the best ever M3 was the M3 Evo, made in the late 90s. No, it isn't as fast as brand new M3, but again, faster doesn't automatically mean better. Again, a lot of people don't think the new Mazda MX5, which is faster than the older ones, is as much fun to drive.
Look at this thread, look how many people love this car, more than love modern Saabs I'd say...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
i believe i never said that all new cars were better than old ones, just about 80% of them (maybe more). and i will just take all your honda obsessed opinions that a focus st is sMy old ZS180, based on a 90s Civic, still is one of the best handling FWD cars you can get. It actually had more feedback through the steering wheel than my 172, altho I think point to point the 172 would be faster.
You seem to miss the point completely - I am NOT saying old cars are better than new, simply that you are wrong if you think that newer always means better. As I said before a lot of people think the best ever M3 was the M3 Evo, made in the late 90s. No, it isn't as fast as brand new M3, but again, faster doesn't automatically mean better. Again, a lot of people don't think the new Mazda MX5, which is faster than the older ones, is as much fun to drive.
Look at this thread, look how many people love this car, more than love modern Saabs I'd say...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by Yugguy on Wednesday 17th September 12:02
t and boring rather than my own experience and the experiences of ALL car magazines in the uk and ALL tv car shows in the uk as they rate them very highly. oh no sorry your biassed opinions mean nothing to anyone, i think will go with the views of the pros.1. You were prepared to dispense with the opinion of the experts earlier, now you want it to count?
2. Other's with personal experience have expressed opinion, you've discarded them. Why are they less valid than yours?
3. Arriving in a Honda forum stating someone's car is s
t is hardly going to be met with applause.4. The comparison I drew was £1,500 on a Prelude vs £16,000 on a Focus. I don't see £16,000 spent on a Focus as a wise investment. Whatever you do to it, it's still a Focus. FWIW, if forced to pick a modern hot hatch, I'd have a Golf GTi or an R26 Megane. The ST gets caught in a no-man's land and I'm sorry but it did bore me - mainly down to the engine.
rsstman said:
and i am sure the only time any non honda obsessed car enthusiast would take a prelude over almost any new car will be if the want to park in places and not give a st about it getting dings and scratches, i.e living in london. i know i would.
and no i didnt pay 20k for mine i got a very generous discount from my uncle who worked at ford and my car 18 months on is only worth about a grand less than i paid, but thanks for asking.
So, given they're worth about £12k at that vintage, £13k for a new one isn't so bad.t about it getting dings and scratches, i.e living in london. i know i would. and no i didnt pay 20k for mine i got a very generous discount from my uncle who worked at ford and my car 18 months on is only worth about a grand less than i paid, but thanks for asking.
rsstman said:
i like hondas guys but theres having respect for the brand (as i do)and then theres obsession, whereby you think a scrap ready car is better than another marques brand new top model. its like saying id take a 1991 ford probe over a new civic type-r anyday (im sure some ridiculous ford enthusiasts would say that.)
That's total arse. I don't think anyone ever even said a Probe was a good car. FWIW I'd go £1,500 and cash in the bank on the Prelude vs the CTR at £18k.rsstman
I know your relatively new here but I just wanted to point out that just because somebody quotes your post you dont HAVE to reply to them.
You are the one who has come into a thread titled "Why do you love Honda's" and insulted somebody elses car.
You had nothing to contribute towards the OP's post and apparently posted in here looking for an argument.
It seems that you can hand out insults easy enough but cant hear a bad word against your precious FocusST. Your making yourself look like a bit of a Ford Fanboy who can give it out but cant take it.
Anyway back to my origional point.. you dont have to reply.. the more you post the sillyer you look.
I know your relatively new here but I just wanted to point out that just because somebody quotes your post you dont HAVE to reply to them.
You are the one who has come into a thread titled "Why do you love Honda's" and insulted somebody elses car.
You had nothing to contribute towards the OP's post and apparently posted in here looking for an argument.
It seems that you can hand out insults easy enough but cant hear a bad word against your precious FocusST. Your making yourself look like a bit of a Ford Fanboy who can give it out but cant take it.
Anyway back to my origional point.. you dont have to reply.. the more you post the sillyer you look.
had to laugh at the quote "scrap ready" Is this foolio blind, does mine look scrap ready honest? If anything its in better shape than it was when it left Honda, after taking the time to restore it properly and I mean a bare shell resto that I did personally over 2 years ago. underneath and outside, shes good to go for another 20 years, by that time we shall have hover Hondas and Ford would have just introduced AC as standard! Muppet, my car had the option of TV, Sat Nav, climate control rain sensitive wipers, Auto on headlights, cruise control, and every other gadget you think in special in today's car, and it had them available in 1992. Some stbox eh!
tbox eh!Lol, Honda obsessed? I chose my Accord cos I only had 2k to spend and I needed a car for a couple of years that was cheap to buy, cheap to run and wouldn't break down. The Accord seems to be all those things.
But aye, rather silly to come onto a Honda forum, to a post entitled "why do you love your Honda" and tell people they're st.
But aye, rather silly to come onto a Honda forum, to a post entitled "why do you love your Honda" and tell people they're s
t.5th gen 1.3 DX single carb.
Still makes me grin to see bigger cars struggle in my rearmirror when on rural roads (< 70 mph). Not on straights of course.
Next car will be a Fab VRS though.
Heathwood said:
Still got it because of the legendary reliability
After 12 years and only 110k miles it has not broken down on me once, only battery, brakes that sort of thing. Regular service every 10k.peterperkins said:
100mpg 
50 really, with a 7K scream at least once a day. Either in 2nd or 3rd gear.Still makes me grin to see bigger cars struggle in my rearmirror when on rural roads (< 70 mph). Not on straights of course.
Next car will be a Fab VRS though.
sorry guys just said a 1991 honda prelude was st because it is, although admittedly the blue one owned by the temperemental ozzy guy is far better than any i have ever encountered on uk roads,although still would not fetch more than £2k over here. like i said im not dissing hondas love the revs and handling of lots of them but really im sure as many people love probes as preludes. most old st cars are just that, old and st.
good hondas :nsx, civic type-r, integra type-r, s2000,even type-r accords.
st hondas : prelude, jazz,legend,cr-v, shuttle etc....
and no im not just a ford man i like lots of cars from lots of marques and loath just as many if not more but obviously if you have a bad word to say about any honda at all in here you will be set upon.
i will go now as i seem to have upset you obsessees. good luck and you just continue to keep those minds firmly closed and hate anything non-honda.
t because it is, although admittedly the blue one owned by the temperemental ozzy guy is far better than any i have ever encountered on uk roads,although still would not fetch more than £2k over here. like i said im not dissing hondas love the revs and handling of lots of them but really im sure as many people love probes as preludes. most old st cars are just that, old and st. good hondas :nsx, civic type-r, integra type-r, s2000,even type-r accords.
s
t hondas : prelude, jazz,legend,cr-v, shuttle etc....and no im not just a ford man i like lots of cars from lots of marques and loath just as many if not more but obviously if you have a bad word to say about any honda at all in here you will be set upon.
i will go now as i seem to have upset you obsessees. good luck and you just continue to keep those minds firmly closed and hate anything non-honda.
rsstman said:
sorry guys just said a 1991 honda prelude was st because it is, although admittedly the blue one owned by the temperemental ozzy guy is far better than any i have ever encountered on uk roads,although still would not fetch more than £2k over here. like i said im not dissing hondas love the revs and handling of lots of them but really im sure as many people love probes as preludes. most old st cars are just that, old and st.
good hondas :nsx, civic type-r, integra type-r, s2000,even type-r accords.
st hondas : prelude, jazz,legend,cr-v, shuttle etc....
and no im not just a ford man i like lots of cars from lots of marques and loath just as many if not more but obviously if you have a bad word to say about any honda at all in here you will be set upon.
i will go now as i seem to have upset you obsessees. good luck and you just continue to keep those minds firmly closed and hate anything non-honda.
t because it is, although admittedly the blue one owned by the temperemental ozzy guy is far better than any i have ever encountered on uk roads,although still would not fetch more than £2k over here. like i said im not dissing hondas love the revs and handling of lots of them but really im sure as many people love probes as preludes. most old st cars are just that, old and st. good hondas :nsx, civic type-r, integra type-r, s2000,even type-r accords.
s
t hondas : prelude, jazz,legend,cr-v, shuttle etc....and no im not just a ford man i like lots of cars from lots of marques and loath just as many if not more but obviously if you have a bad word to say about any honda at all in here you will be set upon.
i will go now as i seem to have upset you obsessees. good luck and you just continue to keep those minds firmly closed and hate anything non-honda.
I'm more offended he called me an Ozzy lol
Ah wells, i care not he bagged my car out, i was more offended at his lack of knowledge when it comes to cars in general. How anyone can pontificate about cars without actually owning or driving them deserves a clout! I get to drive some serious metal on a daily basis, along with pretty much everything else out there, so I like to think i know a bit about whats good or not. The build quality on a modern mercedes is woeful compared to one from about 10 years ago. Same goes with all manufacturers, Honda included! Flash plastics and some shiny bits a good car do not make!
Ah wells, i care not he bagged my car out, i was more offended at his lack of knowledge when it comes to cars in general. How anyone can pontificate about cars without actually owning or driving them deserves a clout! I get to drive some serious metal on a daily basis, along with pretty much everything else out there, so I like to think i know a bit about whats good or not. The build quality on a modern mercedes is woeful compared to one from about 10 years ago. Same goes with all manufacturers, Honda included! Flash plastics and some shiny bits a good car do not make!
Eddh said:
rsstman said:
st hondas : prelude
How the ft hondas : preludek is a Prelude a st car? Have you ever driven one?i just felt like a pauper driving the car and the interior made me feel sick. but ok i have driven worse handling cars and in the cars defence it was about 13 years old . perhaps the last shape was better.
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