Why do I want an EP3 Type R!?
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fido said:
Otolith is normally on the spot, but he's forgot about gearing. The CTR has shorter gearing e.g. 6th is 3.238344 versus 3.1 for the ST170 so it will have more torque at wheels for the same rpm. Hence the CTR will hit 60 in 6.4s (versus 7.9s for the ST170).
Oh, indeed - and in a full bore through-the-gears charge, first gear apart, the CTR will be using almost entirely the bit where it murders the Focus. It's interesting to note, though, that the Focus's engine never got the criticism about low rev torque that the Honda gets, despite the output being essentially the same but without the top end.Edited by otolith on Saturday 19th February 22:05
otolith said:
Oh, indeed - and in a full bore through-the-gears charge, first gear apart, the CTR will be using almost entirely the bit where it murders the Focus. It's interesting to note, though, that the Focus's engine never got the criticism about low rev torque that the Honda gets, despite the output being essentially the same but without the top end.
Indeed. Reading this months evo they also talk about hot clio's being torqey, which is nonsense.Edited by otolith on Saturday 19th February 22:05
A car only has low torque if it's a Honda.
itsnotarace said:
Your source on this bit of information? The Civic does not share the gearbox with anything
Torque on the St170 is very similar to the Type r but available lower in the rev range also i did not say a St170 would beat the type r at any point but i did say the performance is in the same class. Its torque that defines the performance of a car NOT bhp!The gearbox is a getrag unit with differant ratios but shared with the cooper s & st170
neiljohnson said:
Torque on the St170 is very similar to the Type r but available lower in the rev range also i did not say a St170 would beat the type r at any point but i did say the performance is in the same class. Its torque that defines the performance of a car NOT bhp!
The gearbox is a getrag unit with differant ratios but shared with the cooper s & st170
Be careful mentioning torque... you'll have them oil burning types here in no time! The gearbox is a getrag unit with differant ratios but shared with the cooper s & st170
neiljohnson said:
Torque on the St170 is very similar to the Type r but available lower in the rev range also i did not say a St170 would beat the type r at any point but i did say the performance is in the same class.
The performance is not in the same class. 0-100 in the ST170 takes 4 seconds longer.neiljohnson said:
Its torque that defines the performance of a car NOT bhp!
FFS Power = Torque x 2 pi x rpm
You are not taking RPM into account. The Civic revs to 8250rpm as standard. The Focus has 1050rpm less to play with ergo less power.
neiljohnson said:
The gearbox is a getrag unit with differant ratios but shared with the cooper s & st170
I don't know what you are talking about here, but the Civic has a Honda gearbox itsnotarace said:
neiljohnson said:
Torque on the St170 is very similar to the Type r but available lower in the rev range also i did not say a St170 would beat the type r at any point but i did say the performance is in the same class.
The performance is not in the same class. 0-100 in the ST170 takes 4 seconds longer.neiljohnson said:
Its torque that defines the performance of a car NOT bhp!
FFS Power = Torque x 2 pi x rpm
You are not taking RPM into account. The Civic revs to 8250rpm as standard. The Focus has 1050rpm less to play with ergo less power.
neiljohnson said:
The gearbox is a getrag unit with differant ratios but shared with the cooper s & st170
I don't know what you are talking about here, but the Civic has a Honda gearbox 
ETA: Slightly off topic but the CTR will rev to 8600 (safely) with Hondata ECU too!!
Edited by Mark-t on Monday 21st February 21:45
neiljohnson said:
Torque on the St170 is very similar to the Type r but available lower in the rev range also i did not say a St170 would beat the type r at any point but i did say the performance is in the same class. Its torque that defines the performance of a car NOT bhp!
The gearbox is a getrag unit with differant ratios but shared with the cooper s & st170
LOL, another one.The gearbox is a getrag unit with differant ratios but shared with the cooper s & st170
let me guess you have a Diesel?
ks.
neiljohnson said:
GingerWizard said:
easy Neil I know who you are.... you dated my sister....
Thats a worry as ive seen you on runs but did not reconise you!!!! 
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