Discussion
TommyBuoy said:
I would assume that the merits for the NA apply, but with more poke, but does anyone know how the power delivery affects the overall package?
By all accounts the turbo isn't as nimble as the NA - the engine's heavier. However, I've not driven one so can't make an informed comment - should be plenty quick enough though!Thanks very much for the replies, particularly JFReturns and DanL's. I've read both of JFR's threads on the S2K and the VX.
I must admit, if I had a preference, I'd keep the VX, it just depends how noisy SWMBO get's about having it sat in the garage most of the year.
The trouble is I guess, it's almost like chalk and cheese as far as sports cars go. With the main similarity being price and pace.
I always said, I'd only replace the VX with something like a Noble one day, so I think I should stick with that plan (dream) for now. But again, thanks for the replies, the S2k will always be a car I want one day as it does seem to have the whole package, I'm just forunate enough that I have a barge for the comfort/commute aspects of driving, so the weekend or "hooning" car can be a little more raw.....and rare.
TommyBuoy:
As Dan said, the engine in the Turbo is heavier, plus the suspension is softer and they have stuff like sound-proofing and (in some cases) central locking. The NA is far more raw, generally handles better than the Turbo, however, for us mere mortals I doubt it's noticeable. If you gave btoh cars to the stig and asked him to do a lap of Brands Indy, the times would be very similar, yet a lap of the TG test track (with longer straights etc) the Turbo would probably blitz the NA. But as I say, normal drivers probably wouldn't notice.
Of course the NA powerdelivery is very linear all the way up the rev range (revs are limited at 5600 I think), so no where near what you're used to. But there's torque all the way. With the Turbo of course you have that surge when it kicks in.
If you want the best of both worlds, try and find an SC'd NA, more power, but completely linear all the way up. However, make sure you find a really good one.
HTH
Thanks all,
Ash
I must admit, if I had a preference, I'd keep the VX, it just depends how noisy SWMBO get's about having it sat in the garage most of the year.
The trouble is I guess, it's almost like chalk and cheese as far as sports cars go. With the main similarity being price and pace.
I always said, I'd only replace the VX with something like a Noble one day, so I think I should stick with that plan (dream) for now. But again, thanks for the replies, the S2k will always be a car I want one day as it does seem to have the whole package, I'm just forunate enough that I have a barge for the comfort/commute aspects of driving, so the weekend or "hooning" car can be a little more raw.....and rare.
TommyBuoy:
As Dan said, the engine in the Turbo is heavier, plus the suspension is softer and they have stuff like sound-proofing and (in some cases) central locking. The NA is far more raw, generally handles better than the Turbo, however, for us mere mortals I doubt it's noticeable. If you gave btoh cars to the stig and asked him to do a lap of Brands Indy, the times would be very similar, yet a lap of the TG test track (with longer straights etc) the Turbo would probably blitz the NA. But as I say, normal drivers probably wouldn't notice.
Of course the NA powerdelivery is very linear all the way up the rev range (revs are limited at 5600 I think), so no where near what you're used to. But there's torque all the way. With the Turbo of course you have that surge when it kicks in.
If you want the best of both worlds, try and find an SC'd NA, more power, but completely linear all the way up. However, make sure you find a really good one.
HTH
Thanks all,
Ash
What a brilliant thread!!
I've ran a celica vvtli190 for the past 4yrs. Got completly hooked on
The vvtli. But wanted something new and went down the 'scooby'
Route in January. BOught a gb270 wrx. VERY quick....... But.... I feel like a passenger!
Gonna look at suspension geo 1st but tempted to jump ship if it doesnt work out.
And S2000s sound right up my street.
Lots of really useful info. Especially the vx part as I was tempted.
Stuck with the scooby till July as Im taking 2 people to Le mans and don't want
To squeeze someone in the celica rear cup holder/seat for 10hrs.
But maybe in time for summer I might have a vtec beauty
Cheers guys
I've ran a celica vvtli190 for the past 4yrs. Got completly hooked on
The vvtli. But wanted something new and went down the 'scooby'
Route in January. BOught a gb270 wrx. VERY quick....... But.... I feel like a passenger!
Gonna look at suspension geo 1st but tempted to jump ship if it doesnt work out.
And S2000s sound right up my street.
Lots of really useful info. Especially the vx part as I was tempted.
Stuck with the scooby till July as Im taking 2 people to Le mans and don't want
To squeeze someone in the celica rear cup holder/seat for 10hrs.
But maybe in time for summer I might have a vtec beauty
Cheers guys
Gaz. said:
However I would rather go for an enthusiastic drive in the Celica, it may not have the pace of the S2000 but it is more trustworthy, more forgiving, more communicative.
But the S2000 is both rear drive (VERY much so) and soft-top. Both things which elevate it above the Celica.I'd also say that, with the right geo settings (and cross-braces, ideally), and with a considered right foot, the S2000 is really rather good fun to drive...takes longer to learn than a fwd coupe, but isn't that part of the fun too?!?
Pls stop giving the celicas praise!!! Struggling to come to terms with finally selling it as it is lol. Damn it, I taking the it to work tomo. The misses can have the scooby. Straight thru s.s exhaust, induction kit, holding on to 3rd gear thru a tunnel at 5:30am tomo. Now that's a happy commute
Have had a look through the Technical guide on S2Ki and still very tempted. A few other questions though
1) How do they suit the taller chap. I'm 6 ft 1 and a bit so whilst not very tall, I've heard that there could be issue's if you're over 6ft. However I've read this could be fixed with a seat lowering mod, is this correct and easy?
2) How do they cope with traffic? I only live around 3 miles from work, and if I travel at the wrong time can spend a bit in traffic not going very quickly
. Naturally the large amount of short journeys could have an adverse affect, but I would take it for a longer run on a weekend to let it get properly warm.
3) Speed bumps. I live in an area with a few speed bumps about, how do they cope with them?
4) Any recommended garages around the Leeds area?
Finally 5) http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3709471.htm
1) How do they suit the taller chap. I'm 6 ft 1 and a bit so whilst not very tall, I've heard that there could be issue's if you're over 6ft. However I've read this could be fixed with a seat lowering mod, is this correct and easy?
2) How do they cope with traffic? I only live around 3 miles from work, and if I travel at the wrong time can spend a bit in traffic not going very quickly
. Naturally the large amount of short journeys could have an adverse affect, but I would take it for a longer run on a weekend to let it get properly warm. 3) Speed bumps. I live in an area with a few speed bumps about, how do they cope with them?
4) Any recommended garages around the Leeds area?
Finally 5) http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3709471.htm
I'm on my phone so can't reply properly, but:
- I'm 5'11" and had no real problems. Depends how leggy you are as its the steering wheel not adjusting that is the problem. If you have tree trunk thighs you might struggle
- Not the best to drive in traffic TBH. But not bad. Certainly not enough to stop you buying one!
- Never had a problem with speed bumps
- Dunno, sorry
- Looks good from the advert!
- I'm 5'11" and had no real problems. Depends how leggy you are as its the steering wheel not adjusting that is the problem. If you have tree trunk thighs you might struggle
- Not the best to drive in traffic TBH. But not bad. Certainly not enough to stop you buying one!
- Never had a problem with speed bumps
- Dunno, sorry
- Looks good from the advert!
You need to go sit in one. I'm 5'11 and I find it fine, however any taller and id defo want to sit lower. You feel very propped up on the s2000 as it is.
Seat lowering - well a lot of people hack a couple cm off the bottom of the seat cushion for a cheap fix , however you have to remember the back of the seat won't go down by doing this.
Seat rails - this can be done but the rails aren't cheap.
Car on the ad looks ok but I'd always advise ppl to spend more and pick up a facelift 2004- . Only small differences but personally I think it makes the car feel and look much newer.
They are not great in traffic as to some extent they are a pig to get off the line (no low down grunt and the clutch gets heavy after a few mins in traffic). The day I bought mine I sat in a 2mile uphill stop start traffic queue, it was very hard and I was getting stressed out! But once you get used to the car it's not really a problem unless you are sat like this for 30mins everyday - I was used to a diesel with 3x as much torque - I could drop the clutch with no throttle and it would still pull away.
You need to go see one and have a go.
Seat lowering - well a lot of people hack a couple cm off the bottom of the seat cushion for a cheap fix , however you have to remember the back of the seat won't go down by doing this.
Seat rails - this can be done but the rails aren't cheap.
Car on the ad looks ok but I'd always advise ppl to spend more and pick up a facelift 2004- . Only small differences but personally I think it makes the car feel and look much newer.
They are not great in traffic as to some extent they are a pig to get off the line (no low down grunt and the clutch gets heavy after a few mins in traffic). The day I bought mine I sat in a 2mile uphill stop start traffic queue, it was very hard and I was getting stressed out! But once you get used to the car it's not really a problem unless you are sat like this for 30mins everyday - I was used to a diesel with 3x as much torque - I could drop the clutch with no throttle and it would still pull away.
You need to go see one and have a go.
Never had a problem in traffic - clutch isn't that heavy that you'll notice it within 15-20 mins stop-start, and it's got plenty of low-down torque for that sort of work - I've crawled without clutch at 1,200 rpm in my 'teg which has even less torque!
(REALLY hate those sort of comments...can't compare na petrol with turbo diesel, FFS.)
I'd be more concerned with not getting the engine warm, to be honest...but that goes for every car on that commute.
Ride is pretty good, not much harder than a stock Celica.
Height...go sit in one...leg length is likely to be the biggest issue.
(REALLY hate those sort of comments...can't compare na petrol with turbo diesel, FFS.)
I'd be more concerned with not getting the engine warm, to be honest...but that goes for every car on that commute.
Ride is pretty good, not much harder than a stock Celica.
Height...go sit in one...leg length is likely to be the biggest issue.
havoc said:
Never had a problem in traffic - clutch isn't that heavy that you'll notice it within 15-20 mins stop-start, and it's got plenty of low-down torque for that sort of work - I've crawled without clutch at 1,200 rpm in my 'teg which has even less torque!
(REALLY hate those sort of comments...can't compare na petrol with turbo diesel, FFS.)
I'd be more concerned with not getting the engine warm, to be honest...but that goes for every car on that commute.
Ride is pretty good, not much harder than a stock Celica.
Height...go sit in one...leg length is likely to be the biggest issue.
Hate those comments as much as you like stressy. But if you have come from a very torquey diesel you will find it tricky to begin with as they are completely different,FFS.(REALLY hate those sort of comments...can't compare na petrol with turbo diesel, FFS.)
I'd be more concerned with not getting the engine warm, to be honest...but that goes for every car on that commute.
Ride is pretty good, not much harder than a stock Celica.
Height...go sit in one...leg length is likely to be the biggest issue.
russy01 said:
Hate those comments as much as you like stressy. But if you have come from a very torquey diesel you will find it tricky to begin with as they are completely different,FFS.
I was running a Focus TDCi for the first year or more that I owned the S2000 - didn't have any problem switching between the cars - the S2000 has plenty of wheel-torque unless you're the sort of person who expects to be able to pull away without using the throttle.havoc said:
russy01 said:
Hate those comments as much as you like stressy. But if you have come from a very torquey diesel you will find it tricky to begin with as they are completely different,FFS.
I was running a Focus TDCi for the first year or more that I owned the S2000 - didn't have any problem switching between the cars - the S2000 has plenty of wheel-torque unless you're the sort of person who expects to be able to pull away without using the throttle.russy01 said:
I do find traffic a pain in mine however thinking more about it I think it's probs to do with my clutch being on its way out.
Hmmm - do some research on s2ki - if it's the clutch getting heavy when warm/hot, it COULD be the spigot-bearing grease has cooked itself. Have similar symptoms on my NSX (40+mins OK, then heavier and heavier) and I'm trying to work out how to check that and what the most cost-effective approach is going to be...(If it is, might save you a new clutch for another year or so...)
Looking around at cars at the moment. S2000 is an option and I'm contemplating going to look at this one: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3732018.htm
I'm at the bottom end of the market so I expect some issues.
Having skimmed the thread I saw mention of the Technical FAQ from another site. Reading that it says fuel is Super only... Which would rule it out for the OH to use as her daily. Is it genuinely super only or is it just owners being precious about their cars?
I'm at the bottom end of the market so I expect some issues.
Having skimmed the thread I saw mention of the Technical FAQ from another site. Reading that it says fuel is Super only... Which would rule it out for the OH to use as her daily. Is it genuinely super only or is it just owners being precious about their cars?
I didn't see it in the end. Tempting as it is I'm supposed to be looking for something with better mpg/cheaper per mile than the mx5. As well as more mod-cons. It seems like the S2000 might match on the mpg (just under 30), but going up to super will make it more expensive. Then there appears to be talk of rust on an arch. So initial enthusiasm dimmed. I'll need to up my budget or change the prioritys.... Although I only control one of those.
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