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This was a little upload from my go pro earlier in the year on the full circuit.
It was my first time on the track and got down to 2:28 but wasn't really pushing to hard because my discs were beyond their best lol. Planning on going back again next year
http://youtu.be/NAk25zWz8LU
It was my first time on the track and got down to 2:28 but wasn't really pushing to hard because my discs were beyond their best lol. Planning on going back again next year
http://youtu.be/NAk25zWz8LU
Edited by 2BarBoost on Tuesday 6th December 20:50
Edited by 2BarBoost on Tuesday 6th December 20:52
2BarBoost said:
This was a little upload from my go pro earlier in the year on the full circuit.
It was my first time on the track and got down to 2:28 but wasn't really pushing to hard because my discs were beyond their best lol. Planning on going back again next year
http://youtu.be/NAk25zWz8LU
Nice. That's very good going for a first visit!It was my first time on the track and got down to 2:28 but wasn't really pushing to hard because my discs were beyond their best lol. Planning on going back again next year
http://youtu.be/NAk25zWz8LU
The 2:28 lap is not included in the clip?
2min33 in a standard Mk3 Focus RS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_HlS-_bIEU
Anything sub 2min30 is pretty good going for a genuine road car, and sub 2min20 is Porsche GT car territory (Cayman GT4 can do 2min19 or less). As a reference to racing, Caterham Supersports do around 2min30, GT4 cars around 2min14 and GT3 cars around 2min0.
Anything sub 2min30 is pretty good going for a genuine road car, and sub 2min20 is Porsche GT car territory (Cayman GT4 can do 2min19 or less). As a reference to racing, Caterham Supersports do around 2min30, GT4 cars around 2min14 and GT3 cars around 2min0.
Another Focus RS lap... And another lap on the ~2.33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqt7OKbz6Sw
For reference I have done in the past:
Lotus 111R - 2.35, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pulfg-g5AEA
Honda S2000 - 2.40, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCRvOidcH3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqt7OKbz6Sw
For reference I have done in the past:
Lotus 111R - 2.35, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pulfg-g5AEA
Honda S2000 - 2.40, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCRvOidcH3s
RacerMike said:
2min33 in a standard Mk3 Focus RS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_HlS-_bIEU
Anything sub 2min30 is pretty good going for a genuine road car, and sub 2min20 is Porsche GT car territory (Cayman GT4 can do 2min19 or less). As a reference to racing, Caterham Supersports do around 2min30, GT4 cars around 2min14 and GT3 cars around 2min0.
Be rare to get a road Cayman GT4 (not the clubsport race only car) doing <2.19. Yes there is a clip of a race driver doing 2.19 (though the video is actually a bit slower as it apparently suffered from video conversion effects). Anything sub 2min30 is pretty good going for a genuine road car, and sub 2min20 is Porsche GT car territory (Cayman GT4 can do 2min19 or less). As a reference to racing, Caterham Supersports do around 2min30, GT4 cars around 2min14 and GT3 cars around 2min0.
In amateur hands <2.24 on a data logger will be rare.
I followed a Cayman GT4 on a 2:32 lap last month, with light traffic dealt with quickly. It didn't seem to have 13 seconds left in it after watching the video.
https://youtu.be/soWWnMpXGhs
https://youtu.be/soWWnMpXGhs
Pdelamare said:
I followed a Cayman GT4 on a 2:32 lap last month, with light traffic dealt with quickly. It didn't seem to have 13 seconds left in it after watching the video.
https://youtu.be/soWWnMpXGhs
There's loads of time on the table there!https://youtu.be/soWWnMpXGhs
My fastest lap from a few weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK68hPpfCH8
2:41:43 -
Optimum on Racechrono showed a 2:40.
Clio 182 - Standard engine bar exhaust and filter. Coilovers and R888s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK68hPpfCH8
2:41:43 -
Optimum on Racechrono showed a 2:40.
Clio 182 - Standard engine bar exhaust and filter. Coilovers and R888s.
Pdelamare said:
mpit said:
There's loads of time on the table there!
Didn't say there wasn't time, just not 13 seconds worth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT1aNQA8wVQ&t=...
LaSource said:
Be rare to get a road Cayman GT4 (not the clubsport race only car) doing <2.19. Yes there is a clip of a race driver doing 2.19 (though the video is actually a bit slower as it apparently suffered from video conversion effects).
In amateur hands <2.24 on a data logger will be rare.
Funny you should mention that. Jonny's a good friend of mine and my 2:33 in the Focus was about 30mins before the 2.19 in the Cayman. 1 up with some Tyre pressure tweeks, the GT4 would easily do a 2.18 or better. Usually, an amateur should be coachable to within 5s of a pro, so 2.24 should be easy. In amateur hands <2.24 on a data logger will be rare.
The 2.19 lap is here for anyone interest: Cayman GT4 2.19. Liberal use of run off kerb, as per GT 'regulations'
RacerMike said:
Funny you should mention that. Jonny's a good friend of mine and my 2:33 in the Focus was about 30mins before the 2.19 in the Cayman. 1 up with some Tyre pressure tweeks, the GT4 would easily do a 2.18 or better. Usually, an amateur should be coachable to within 5s of a pro, so 2.24 should be easy.
The 2.19 lap is here for anyone interest: Cayman GT4 2.19. Liberal use of run off kerb, as per GT 'regulations'
Well that's an eye opener for sure. 2:19.9 so not really 2:19 but more like 2:20 but all the same I'd never have believed a gt4 would be able to do 2:20 nevermind go below that. Mind you it's being driven pretty hard (correction at abbey was neat) but also has a passenger so definitely room to go quicker. I still think it's a rare non pro driver who is going to be doing below 2:25 though.The 2.19 lap is here for anyone interest: Cayman GT4 2.19. Liberal use of run off kerb, as per GT 'regulations'
isaldiri said:
Well that's an eye opener for sure. 2:19.9 so not really 2:19 but more like 2:20 but all the same I'd never have believed a gt4 would be able to do 2:20 nevermind go below that. Mind you it's being driven pretty hard (correction at abbey was neat) but also has a passenger so definitely room to go quicker. I still think it's a rare non pro driver who is going to be doing below 2:25 though.
With some decent coaching, any amateur should easily get within 3-5s of a Pro time. I'm convinced that given a few days of decent tuition I could get my Dad (who's never driven on track) to do a low 20 in thet car. Thing is, a lot of people seem to think they're better than tuition, however, if you look at any Pro, they would say they never stop learning, and I always learn something when going through data with someone. Like any skill, it needs practice and critical analysis.For all the money people spend trying to make their cars go faster, they'd probably go twice as fast again if they swallowed their pride and spent that money on a few days of quality 1 on 1 instruction.
So I think plenty of amateurs could do a sub 2.25. It's a bloody fast car with a lot of grip! It's not race car fast though. A GT4 race car will do a 2.13, and that's with less power...
RacerMike said:
With some decent coaching, any amateur should easily get within 3-5s of a Pro time. I'm convinced that given a few days of decent tuition I could get my Dad (who's never driven on track) to do a low 20 in thet car. Thing is, a lot of people seem to think they're better than tuition, however, if you look at any Pro, they would say they never stop learning, and I always learn something when going through data with someone. Like any skill, it needs practice and critical analysis.
For all the money people spend trying to make their cars go faster, they'd probably go twice as fast again if they swallowed their pride and spent that money on a few days of quality 1 on 1 instruction.
So I think plenty of amateurs could do a sub 2.25. It's a bloody fast car with a lot of grip! It's not race car fast though. A GT4 race car will do a 2.13, and that's with less power...
I'd definitely agree tuition is the best (and cheapest) way to actually get quicker rather than buying a faster car. For all the money people spend trying to make their cars go faster, they'd probably go twice as fast again if they swallowed their pride and spent that money on a few days of quality 1 on 1 instruction.
So I think plenty of amateurs could do a sub 2.25. It's a bloody fast car with a lot of grip! It's not race car fast though. A GT4 race car will do a 2.13, and that's with less power...
however, am still a bit stunned that a gt4 has managed a 2:20 lap. I've done a fair few days at Silverstone with quite a few gt4s around and I can honestly say I've only ever come across one doing what I would have thought would be sub 2:25 pace and I think it was driven by Oli Webb that day. lasource above is a pretty handy driver (as far as us amateurs go anyway
) and he's at 2:26. it would be a big surprise if 'plenty of amateurs' could do much better tbh.isaldiri said:
I'd definitely agree tuition is the best (and cheapest) way to actually get quicker rather than buying a faster car.
however, am still a bit stunned that a gt4 has managed a 2:20 lap. I've done a fair few days at Silverstone with quite a few gt4s around and I can honestly say I've only ever come across one doing what I would have thought would be sub 2:25 pace and I think it was driven by Oli Webb that day. lasource above is a pretty handy driver (as far as us amateurs go anyway ) and he's at 2:26. it would be a big surprise if 'plenty of amateurs' could do much better tbh.
The race version of the GT4 did a 2.14 in qually for British GT4 last year and that car weighs near enough the same as the road car due to the cage, and has about 20bhp less due to regulations. So 5s slower for the road car on track focussed tyres seems entirely reasonable to me. It's a quick time, but it's not that surprising to me given that my RS on the same tyres would dip below the 2.30 mark. And that's a good 200kg heavier, with less power and road biased geo..however, am still a bit stunned that a gt4 has managed a 2:20 lap. I've done a fair few days at Silverstone with quite a few gt4s around and I can honestly say I've only ever come across one doing what I would have thought would be sub 2:25 pace and I think it was driven by Oli Webb that day. lasource above is a pretty handy driver (as far as us amateurs go anyway
) and he's at 2:26. it would be a big surprise if 'plenty of amateurs' could do much better tbh.RacerMike said:
Funny you should mention that. Jonny's a good friend of mine and my 2:33 in the Focus was about 30mins before the 2.19 in the Cayman. 1 up with some Tyre pressure tweeks, the GT4 would easily do a 2.18 or better. Usually, an amateur should be coachable to within 5s of a pro, so 2.24 should be easy.
The 2.19 lap is here for anyone interest: Cayman GT4 2.19. Liberal use of run off kerb, as per GT 'regulations'
Yep that's the one The 2.19 lap is here for anyone interest: Cayman GT4 2.19. Liberal use of run off kerb, as per GT 'regulations'
..and agreed given that he had a passenger, some more time was left on the table. Plus that lap was supposed to be a reference lap before he starts a programme of suspension modifications and other 'go faster' mods. It will be awesome news if the fully setup car goes significantly quicker still!
My only criticism - and I want to be clear its not sour grapes or something, I have no insecurities of being many many seconds slower than a pro driver
- is that I usually tend to take only seriously claims using a proper GPS data logger. I have seen on many occasions a particular time claimed (by amateurs usually) with either no data logged evidence to back that up - and the video/stop watch claims can be a little on the optimistic side - or using their mobile phone with a slower GPS chip in it. As I mentioned the YouTube video of the 2:19.9 lap is actually running at 2:21/22 last I checked - though Jonny did say that he thought it was a YouTube upload issue and ran at the correct speed off the native GoPro. Plus if I recall correctly he was using the Porsche track precision app on the iPhone which is known to have lower accuracy (or at least will get people like me distracted!). I think he did concede that he would use a vbox next time ..which would also be an awesome tool to overlay one's trace on his (not that we would be able to replicate the lap time!)Having said that I do not doubt for a moment that a time like that is possible in expert hands so therefore I do not scoff at it. Given my claim earlier that I thought little old me could get into the high 2:24s now without a pax then as stated above an expert driver like Jonny should easily (well, you know what I mean!) be sub 2:19/2:20
The video above is awesome on commitment and front end management
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