What to do if your car spins on track?

What to do if your car spins on track?

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Scoobman

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450 posts

205 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Just after any tips you may have...

In this instance 4wd
You have gone past the point of no return and the tyre wall is looming

I would dip the clutch and let go of the wheel
Any other tips and suggestions experienced track hands have for me?

Thanks

supertouring

2,228 posts

233 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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"In a spin, both feet in" - was the mantra on the skid training course I did.

Scoobman

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450 posts

205 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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supertouring said:
"In a spin, both feet in" - was the mantra on the skid training course I did.
Thanks.
I have also heard that you should also hit the brake at the same time.
Anyone able to say what benfit hitting the brake at the same time has.

Mr MXT

7,692 posts

283 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Scoobman said:
Thanks.
I have also heard that you should also hit the brake at the same time.
Anyone able to say what benfit hitting the brake at the same time has.
I assumed he meant clutch and brake...

Scoobman

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450 posts

205 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Mr MXT said:
I assumed he meant clutch and brake...
Yes. As I have heard of people hitting the brake at the same time


Lowtimer

4,286 posts

168 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Scoobman said:
Thanks.
I have also heard that you should also hit the brake at the same time.
Anyone able to say what benfit hitting the brake at the same time has.
The general idea is that whatever you hit you are likely to hit it more slowly.

Scoobman

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450 posts

205 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Lowtimer said:
The general idea is that whatever you hit you are likely to hit it more slowly.
Thanks. I guessed that would be the answer.

So to summarise.

Hands of wheel - but get ready to grab once out of the spin.
Dip clutch - to keep engine running and to enable to move car safely off the track once the spin has ended.
Hit the brakes - As even though the car is spinning, brakes on will still wipe some speed off.





GT4EDS

541 posts

198 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Yes,

If you spin, you should immediately hit the brakes, locking them up. This will cause the car to continue in the general direction it was heading before locking the brakes, while scrubbing of speed. At the same time, try to depress the clucth and keep the engine running by blipping the throttle. It is hoped you'll be able to drive away after the spin. And yes the saying is " Spin both feet in" clutch and brake pedal.
No matter of bad it seems, always look where you want to go. If you can go again remenber your tyres may have stones and pebbles stuck to them, so take your time until they clean off, otherwise you'll find yourself spinning again.

Eduardo.

Synchromesh

2,428 posts

166 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Lowtimer said:
The general idea is that whatever you hit you are likely to hit it more slowly.
Other reason is that the car is more likely to continue its trajectory, which may stop you doing further damage. This also means a driver following can take evasive action, knowing your slide won't suddenly change direction and take him out too!

Lowtimer

4,286 posts

168 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Sure, but that applies only if you CAN lock the wheels, i.e. no ABS or ABS disabled. I have assumed that Scooby is tracking an Impreza road car with non-switchable ABS, but may be wrong in that assumption.

Scoobman

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450 posts

205 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Thanks for clarifying all that chaps smile

Yes it is Impreza with no ABS

Edited by Scoobman on Saturday 16th August 19:01

TheEnd

15,370 posts

188 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Yea, I've seen a few where someone has spun a car, then let it roll off into something as they weren't on the brakes.

That said, if you're just about to hit something and all is lost, tuck in.








I took a lamp post out of the ground years ago, if I didn't shift my feet, I probably wouldn't have any.

QBee

20,984 posts

144 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Lamp post? On a track day? Point taken on the road.

I lost the back end on the main straight at Snetterton at 90 mph in the wet, having touched the brakes for the first corner. Banged both feet down, 3.5 full revolutions in a straight line and onto the grass. No damage.

The MGB who had a spin ten minutes later at the same place removed both ends of the car on the right hand armco.

The rule worked for me........

Mound Dawg

1,915 posts

174 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Seen too many people do the car equivalent of a highside and pile the opposite lock on and back off only for the rear end to grip again and they spear off into the tyres/armco.

So it's brakes and clutch for me once I know it's not going to come back.


Steve H

5,283 posts

195 months

Sunday 17th August 2014
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I wouldn't automatically go for letting go of the wheel.

If you are heading for a big impact and you are still thinking clearly enough to pull your arms in to your chest then by all means do it but knowing which way the wheels are pointing and having some influence over their position as you come out of a spin is very useful if you don't hit anything.

Beyond that I'd say Eduardo has given a pretty good summary.

auto1

902 posts

196 months

Monday 18th August 2014
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Never thought of any of that!!!!
I just screamed like a little girl, (Age thing I guess) biggrin

red997

1,304 posts

209 months

Monday 18th August 2014
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I've heard / used the 'both feet in approach before too;

As for letting go of the wheel;
there is some merit in it I guess - the car, especially if under ABS, will most likely straighten it's wheels out, which would at least give you the knowledge of which way they are pointing, which in turn with ABS could help you steer away from some last minute obstacles?

QBee

20,984 posts

144 months

Monday 18th August 2014
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Ask any F1 driver - taking your hands off the wheel in a spin saves you weeks of pain while your broken thumbs heal. Hit something hard like armco on track with the front corner and it will whip the wheel round, taking your thumbs with it. yikes

VTECMatt

1,168 posts

238 months

Monday 18th August 2014
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When I race I don't grip the wheels with my thumbs to avoid this as can easily get broke if car hits you out of the blue sending car in a spin.

nxi20

778 posts

205 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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IME, the ABS never operates in a spin if you follow the "In a spin, both feet in" mantra. Letting go of the steering wheel will also mean that the wheel is straight if nothing hits a road wheel to alter the steering during the spin due to castor forcing the wheels to point straight ahead. The only downside to braking in a spin is that you can rapidly flat-spot your tyres. I remember one spin I had at Silverstone that took a part-worn Cup tyre down to the canvas. On another occasion I was a passenger in a GT3 at Donington that half-spun down Craner Curves and must have travelled 50+ metres down the left hand side towards Old Hairpin with the front on the grass & the rear on the track. That reduced a pair of brand new rears to scrap.

By way of illustration, here's a video of me doing a full 360 at Zandvoort in the width of the track with Mike Wilds riding shotgun - he can be heard saying "let go of the wheel" wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T67yTo-qU5I&t=...