CRX nurburgring lap, frustrated driver

[andyiley]

SEAN 46 said:

The German Clio. Serious woolly hat fail for passenger. Not sure if driver was wearing a matching hat but we will forgive them as they were FAST!
http://www.tourifotos.de/media/img/gallery-324/16-...

Bloody 'ell, he's got a long left arm!!!!

[terenceb]

Ekona said:

What's the hand sign rule? I've never seen that mentioned anywhere else, is it a Ring thing or a German thing?

Genuine question, not being sarcastic or 'owt.

No problem.Its a German traffic law thats been in force for years.Not many people know that .Not very often you'll see a German driver give any hand signals possibly why they never thankyou for givong way.lol
Politest method of letting someone know they are in your way is to put your left indicator on and leave it on until you get past.

[jeremybu]

German Clio: I wondered where Biffa Bacon was these days.

https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=ArxpgO4V9s...

[Olivera]

spikey78 said:

What's all that cobblers on the downshift? Is that some kind of double de clutch shiznit?

I think you're referring to heel-and-toe, which isn't double-de-clutching.

Helps prevent locking of the rear axle on the downshift.

[Toilet Duck]

Olivera said:

Helps prevent locking of the rear axle on the downshift.

Or locking of the front axle if it's front wheel drive

[SEAN 46]

Had to laugh at this graffiti from a picture taken on 20th September.

https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v...

[DiscoColin]

andyiley said:

So, he thinks enough of his safety in a crash to wear a helmet & gloves....... AND SHORTS & A TEE SHIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is pretty common in enclosed cars. The helmet protects against concussive head injury (B pillar and any passenger's head can cause a fatal TBI in the event of an accident, as can roof intrusion in a roll - even if half caged) and gloves are for grip from your sweaty palms. Meanwhile, a cotton shirt will not really protect from flying glass and if there is intrusion into the footwell your slacks aren't going to do much for you there either.

Your point is somewhat elusive here. Are you about to suggest fireproof race suits for all in TF?

[DiscoColin]

On the subject of the thread though - anyone timing in TF is to my mind an idiot. Especially when it is busy. As a public road it is the right of everyone on it to drive at the speed that they choose and while almost nobody observes it - there are 2 sections with speed limits on there (near the gates) making it fundamentally incompatible with time attacks.

That said - people like that aren't really welcome of track days either as far as I am concerned.

[git-r]

When I'm on track no one gets past me in my skyline with 500+bhp! They might catch me up in the corners but as soon as I open 'er up on the straights I drop 'em like flies!
Nothing more frustrating than being held up on the straights by slower cars...


MASSIVE JOKE BTW!

In all seriousness though I think there are people with this mindset especially in 'fast' cars

Anyone that wound up on track should learn to relax, road rage on the road is bad enough. We really shouldn't tolerate it at track days!

Sadly seen lots of this type of behaviour

[Lost soul]

He is a dangerous little

[andyiley]

DiscoColin said:

andyiley said:

So, he thinks enough of his safety in a crash to wear a helmet & gloves....... AND SHORTS & A TEE SHIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is pretty common in enclosed cars. The helmet protects against concussive head injury (B pillar and any passenger's head can cause a fatal TBI in the event of an accident, as can roof intrusion in a roll - even if half caged) and gloves are for grip from your sweaty palms. Meanwhile, a cotton shirt will not really protect from flying glass and if there is intrusion into the footwell your slacks aren't going to do much for you there either.

Your point is somewhat elusive here. Are you about to suggest fireproof race suits for all in TF?

Nothing elusive at all if you have ever done a track day in the UK!

[Pip1968]

I tend to agree that long sleeves and trousers are safer if you want to take that route although I too have done it in shorts and t-shirt and sans helmet at the Nordscleife (on occasion).

As for the driving, yes everyone is entitled to drive at their own pace/speed but they should still pull over for faster cars. Bikes at the Nordscleife are a pain in the arse though. They take different lines and often do not know the track as well as inevitably peeling off and causing track closure.

Whilst I do not mind the wacky races often seen at the track, bikes and cars do not mix.

Pip

[davepoth]

Not the Focus' fault IMO. You first see it right at the beginning of the lap, so he was lapping at a fairly similar pace to the CRX driver - which is pretty fast. He's not one of those people who tip-toes around the corners.

It looks to me like the CRX driver didn't see the bikers, which the Focus driver quite reasonably slowed down for since they do tend to fall off a lot on the Ring. Or explode.

Also, the CRX driver could have bought stringback gloves, which are much better for gripping the wheel with since they don't have to stop your hands from burning. In any case, that level of prep for a TF lap is silly - it's a public road, not a race track.

[Northern Chap]

Not a nice chappie.....

He'd be so much quicker were he not gearchanging through the many corners, unsettling the car, snatching at the gearstick....

He was very slow going up the mountain towards Klostertal...

Bully springs to mind !

[Baryonyx]

The CRX driver is a dangerous tit. He's far too caught up in timing himself, rather than enjoying himself. Getting so frustrated like that will lead to a bad mistake at some point. Okay, the Focus RS could have done with getting out of his way a bit earlier, but his form behind the bikes was very bad. They shouldn't have to adjust their ride or their lines to accommodate this idiot. He's trying everything he can to get past, including trying to pass on the right, but he's just not fast enough. He scrapes a pass and is then overtaken again.

If he wants to be fast at the 'Ring, maybe he should get a bike!

[Olivera]

Northern Chap said:

He'd be so much quicker were he not gearchanging through the many corners, unsettling the car, snatching at the gearstick....

He was very slow going up the mountain towards Klostertal...

I think it's slow up the hill to Klostertal because it's only got 140bhp! Irateness towards the end of the video apart, he's actually a pretty good driver, heel-and-toeing regularly and posting a bloody good time for only a 140bhp car.

[DiscoColin]

andyiley said:

DiscoColin said:

andyiley said:

So, he thinks enough of his safety in a crash to wear a helmet & gloves....... AND SHORTS & A TEE SHIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is pretty common in enclosed cars. The helmet protects against concussive head injury (B pillar and any passenger's head can cause a fatal TBI in the event of an accident, as can roof intrusion in a roll - even if half caged) and gloves are for grip from your sweaty palms. Meanwhile, a cotton shirt will not really protect from flying glass and if there is intrusion into the footwell your slacks aren't going to do much for you there either.

Your point is somewhat elusive here. Are you about to suggest fireproof race suits for all in TF?

Nothing elusive at all if you have ever done a track day in the UK!

Dozens of them over the last 8 years, as well as hundreds of laps of the 'ring and overseas track days in (so far) 5 other countries.

Your point is still elusive. It is a very different conversation in an open car, but unless you are going fireproof the benefits of long trousers and sleeves are at best marginal. By comparison, helmets and gloves are crucial. Personally I almost always wear long sleeves but on hot days often go with shorts, however as a safety argument the need for helmets and gloves is on a different planet to covered arms and legs. I have worn a T shirt and shorts while strapped into a Schroth 6 point harness with a HANS device and helmet before, with nomex racing gloves and boots (for optimal feel, not because they are fireproof. I used to wear kart gloves on track days, and many other do likewise).

Do you get sponsorship from Yahoo! for all of those exclamation marks by the way?

Edited by DiscoColin on Thursday 25th September 20:07

[mgv8dave]

He just needs to chill out .

[CamMoreRon]

Definitely needs to chill out!

I remember being held up my some dreadlocked bell-end on an R6 who thought he was in a Moto GP.. he held me up from Karussell all the way to the end of the lap, and while I flashed a few times to try and get him to spot me, and was definitely getting annoyed, I didn't shout and scream or throw my toys around. What is the point? There will be other laps.