Trackday tyres for heavier cars?

Trackday tyres for heavier cars?

Author
Discussion

Dakkon

Original Poster:

7,826 posts

252 months

Sunday 21st December 2014
quotequote all
I realise that trackday tyres is a topic that comes up often here, however, just moved to a Nissan 350z, not an ideal trackday car but one I would like to do one or two trackdays in this coming year, and was thinking of the AD08R and see how I get on.

However, I also thought I would turn to the wisdom of PH, as I am sure there must be some of you who run 1500+ kg cars on the track?


shim

2,050 posts

207 months

Monday 22nd December 2014
quotequote all
MPS Cups.


Wh00sher

1,586 posts

217 months

Monday 22nd December 2014
quotequote all
shim said:
MPS Cups.
If it`s used in the wet, I`d disagree with this !

I had a 350Z, took it on track a couple of times and it was a heavy old thing. Suspension takes time to settle after being disturbed but brakes held up really well with just Yellowstuff all round. I ran Falken 452`s as a general road tyre and they held up OK, but nothing amazing on track.

Trev450

6,314 posts

171 months

Monday 22nd December 2014
quotequote all
AD08's would be fine or if you would prefer a more track-focused tyre then 048's would give more grip in the dry, but be less so in the wet.

gruffalo

7,508 posts

225 months

Monday 22nd December 2014
quotequote all
I was at a racing weekend at Brands last year and there was a race for Aston Martins.

The race was 1hr30mins with a driver change and allowed to change two tyres during the driver change. The tyres had to be road legal and the tyres of choice were all Kumho V70 or Toyo R888, I asked one team why no Yoko's and they stated that in there tests the tech was too old and not up to the job.

During the first half of race it was interesting to see very even performance grip wise from the teams running the V70 and the R888 but towards the end of the race the V70 shod cars seemed to have a very clear advantage taking many places from the R888 running cars.

I have used them myself ever since and they are very good tyres indeed.

DiscoColin

3,328 posts

213 months

Monday 22nd December 2014
quotequote all
Wh00sher said:
shim said:
MPS Cups.
If it`s used in the wet, I`d disagree with this !
The Cup2 that came in this year is the one to have. They are fine in the wet (unlike the old style ones) and last a lot longer due to increased tread depth from new and the new multi-compound construction. The man from Michelin says that they will be continuing to roll out new sizes (including for smaller rims) through next year, so if they don't come in the size that you need, they soon might.

Dakkon

Original Poster:

7,826 posts

252 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
quotequote all
Thanks for the replies, regarding MPS Cup 2's, they do not seem to do my sizes currently.

shim

2,050 posts

207 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
quotequote all
MPS Cups............wet oir dry.


if you are trying to go super quick in the wet, any TD tyre is wk> ive run Cups rain or shine on a 1450kg CSL for 8 years, 90 odd TDs and no issues.

DiscoColin

3,328 posts

213 months

Wednesday 24th December 2014
quotequote all
shim said:
MPS Cups............wet oir dry.

if you are trying to go super quick in the wet, any TD tyre is wk> ive run Cups rain or shine on a 1450kg CSL for 8 years, 90 odd TDs and no issues.
If we are talking properly wet conditions then the old cup can aquaplane in a straight line at less than 90mph and a novice on PS2s would be quicker, so your definition of no issues is somewhat subjective compadre wink . The Cup2 is night and day better in the rain and does actually work (performance is not unlike a part worn SuperSport), but as a CSL jockey I believe that you are still waiting for the sizes?

shim

2,050 posts

207 months

Wednesday 24th December 2014
quotequote all
DiscoColin said:
If we are talking properly wet conditions then the old cup can aquaplane in a straight line at less than 90mph and a novice on PS2s would be quicker, so your definition of no issues is somewhat subjective compadre wink . The Cup2 is night and day better in the rain and does actually work (performance is not unlike a part worn SuperSport), but as a CSL jockey I believe that you are still waiting for the sizes?
well ive been through about 15 sets of cups and i havent letnovice past yet, rain or shine smile

my point is the chancs are you will chase tenths on tracktyres and then if you have the Cup2 or Cup+ or R888 etc youll always have an escuse. Buy Cups and youll know how fast you really are. In the rain just slow down as no trophies in the rain.

andy97

4,691 posts

221 months

Friday 26th December 2014
quotequote all
Dunlop Dirrezzas are very popular with the Porsche 944/ 968 brigade, and have a good record in club racing, as well as better wet weather performance than Michelin Pilot Cup Sports.

HokumPokum

2,049 posts

204 months

Saturday 27th December 2014
quotequote all
shim said:
DiscoColin said:
If we are talking properly wet conditions then the old cup can aquaplane in a straight line at less than 90mph and a novice on PS2s would be quicker, so your definition of no issues is somewhat subjective compadre wink . The Cup2 is night and day better in the rain and does actually work (performance is not unlike a part worn SuperSport), but as a CSL jockey I believe that you are still waiting for the sizes?
well ive been through about 15 sets of cups and i havent letnovice past yet, rain or shine smile

my point is the chancs are you will chase tenths on tracktyres and then if you have the Cup2 or Cup+ or R888 etc youll always have an escuse. Buy Cups and youll know how fast you really are. In the rain just slow down as no trophies in the rain.
my thoughts on this as well. but grip is severely lacking when it is wet and cold. still keeps your wits about....

Wh00sher

1,586 posts

217 months

Sunday 28th December 2014
quotequote all
shim said:
In the rain just slow down as no trophies in the rain.
No Trophies in the dry either wink

I know what you are saying though. biggrin

gruffalo

7,508 posts

225 months

Monday 29th December 2014
quotequote all
Dakkon said:
Thanks for the replies, regarding MPS Cup 2's, they do not seem to do my sizes currently.
This is the problem, I was talking to a bloke staffing a Michelin stand at an event and there are no plans to offer 17inch tyres and only limited 18inch sizes.

Dakkon

Original Poster:

7,826 posts

252 months

Tuesday 30th December 2014
quotequote all
gruffalo said:
Dakkon said:
Thanks for the replies, regarding MPS Cup 2's, they do not seem to do my sizes currently.
This is the problem, I was talking to a bloke staffing a Michelin stand at an event and there are no plans to offer 17inch tyres and only limited 18inch sizes.
frown

IronFire

90 posts

165 months

Thursday 1st January 2015
quotequote all
My current favourite is the Yokohama A08r for my 1550KG BMW. They are the best price to performance to wear that I have come across for tyres that are track biased but work on the road. They also come in the 18" sizes I wanted. The car used to be tracked once a month.

V8 FOU

2,970 posts

146 months

Saturday 3rd January 2015
quotequote all
My lightweight Turbo RR (2100kg and dropping) runs well on Federal RSR. If they are OK on that, etc etc