What line through Bruxelles at Spa?
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When did it stop being called Rivage?
Anyway depends what car, I've done pretty much every line combo there & driven fwd,& then the trinity of rwd with front engine, mid engine, rear engine, all GT tho, not lightweights.
With the front engine rwd that I've done the most laps with I felt go deep & late apex was best, but just seat of pants feel I've never datalogged.
Vid of me in my e36 is best after 6.40 when with my 275bhp I hunt a near 600bhp gt2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dViLbKLyvKc
Anyway depends what car, I've done pretty much every line combo there & driven fwd,& then the trinity of rwd with front engine, mid engine, rear engine, all GT tho, not lightweights.
With the front engine rwd that I've done the most laps with I felt go deep & late apex was best, but just seat of pants feel I've never datalogged.
Vid of me in my e36 is best after 6.40 when with my 275bhp I hunt a near 600bhp gt2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dViLbKLyvKc
Edited by iguana on Wednesday 22 June 22:44
iguana said:
When did it stop being called Rivage?
I thought it was called that but then quite a few locals call it Bruxelles, confused.Thx for your post though and good going in the vid!!!
It would seem some people as above do shorten it and are happy to sacrifice speed for shorter distance.
shim said:
I take Rivage via the shortest route for best lap time and for race line, turning in early, hogging the kerb and unwinding to the far kerb as far as needed
It shortens the distance by around 6m and the lack of straight after imho means there is no overall benefit for late apex
Interesting you have measured the distance saved so do you have a VBox or similar and have you measured the time you saves say from leaving the complex to the entrance to Pouhon?It shortens the distance by around 6m and the lack of straight after imho means there is no overall benefit for late apex
Instructor told me wide in and late apex was quickest but genuinely interested to learn.
I don't profess to be an expert, but a different line to Lizard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCL5GkwOEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCL5GkwOEc
shim said:
I take Rivage via the shortest route for best lap time and for race line, turning in early, hogging the kerb and unwinding to the far kerb as far as needed
It shortens the distance by around 6m and the lack of straight after imho means there is no overall benefit for late apex
Same here, my car doesn't like the wide line, and half the time the outside line is covered in sIt shortens the distance by around 6m and the lack of straight after imho means there is no overall benefit for late apex
te and you wash out even wider. shim said:
The other good thing about the short route is that the car in front sees you turn in early in its mirrors, catch him under he brakes and they sh*t themselves and miss the apex thinking you are going to T bone them
Etiquette would probably be OK on a Euro-rules TD but not so much on a UK-rules one, sounds like a good race method though
.The 180 right hander after the "Les Combes 1/2/3" complex was used to called "Rivage 1"but is now called "Bruxelles".
As already stated earlier, this corner has different approaches based on car, grip, aero, engine layout.
The easiest and safest way is to start turning at the end of the ext. curb on the left.
Not a fast turn in but progressive, pointing to a late apex at the very end of the turn.
That way the car should be washed out at the curb opposite but at the same time having a bit of space to move to the far right for the next coming left hander (Rivage 2)
The most common mistake is to go in too aggressively, too fast. That would lead to a wide line causing understeer and ultimately even running out of space mid corner.
As grip levels increase, car weight is reduced, aerodynamic forces are applied etc this line changes to "the shorter way around" in order to meet the "less distance covered = fastest way around" principal.
You can surely feel a faster pass through the corner but again a data logger would be your best way to get the fastest way around.
Reference in distance covered, exit speed, time difference etc is key.
Kostas.
As already stated earlier, this corner has different approaches based on car, grip, aero, engine layout.
The easiest and safest way is to start turning at the end of the ext. curb on the left.
Not a fast turn in but progressive, pointing to a late apex at the very end of the turn.
That way the car should be washed out at the curb opposite but at the same time having a bit of space to move to the far right for the next coming left hander (Rivage 2)
The most common mistake is to go in too aggressively, too fast. That would lead to a wide line causing understeer and ultimately even running out of space mid corner.
As grip levels increase, car weight is reduced, aerodynamic forces are applied etc this line changes to "the shorter way around" in order to meet the "less distance covered = fastest way around" principal.
You can surely feel a faster pass through the corner but again a data logger would be your best way to get the fastest way around.
Reference in distance covered, exit speed, time difference etc is key.
Kostas.
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