Track day novice what I've learnt so far...
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JoeMarano said:
I was sort of looking in my rear view to see how it was going to pan out so yes I braked early a bit I think. I'm fairly confident that if I had a diff, track focussed tyres and some decent pads I could have kept them behind me longer 
If you want to see just that being done in a real race, watch this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hRxDW9ZyxU
The guy in the multi-coloured TVR Chimaera starts the film three cars in front of us.....because he got a stonking start and went from 10th on the grid to 4th before the first corner.
The three cars behind his, including us, have between 400 and 450 bhp and similar torque.
The multi-coloured Chimaera is a class C car and has about 240 bhp, 270 torques.
However, by good driving he carries so much speed through the corners, and positions his car so well, that it takes the supposedly faster cars most of the race to find a way past him.
It won't surprise you to hear that he won the season-long championship this year, only his second year racing.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
While I completely agree they shouldn't have been overtaking there, the other view might be to argue that the polo was inviting them through by going wide of the line.
Hard to say from a video, but it didn't look like the evo/scoob were really on the limit and could have slotted in behind - one reason I personally don't like people trying to get out the way / driving on the mirrors too much; unless you're very good you do better focussing on where you need to go, being predictable (i.e. taking the line) and getting on with moving forwards. I think I'd probably have started to squeeze left a bit early to give a clear signal.
Of course it might just be that they're complete asses, but another angle.
Hard to say from a video, but it didn't look like the evo/scoob were really on the limit and could have slotted in behind - one reason I personally don't like people trying to get out the way / driving on the mirrors too much; unless you're very good you do better focussing on where you need to go, being predictable (i.e. taking the line) and getting on with moving forwards. I think I'd probably have started to squeeze left a bit early to give a clear signal.
Of course it might just be that they're complete asses, but another angle.
Yeah I think I should have moved over to the left a bit but there's always that feeling they will end up hitting you from behind :S
Another interesting one at the end of this video with the Leon
https://youtu.be/84pWcC_Z0kU
I only expected one car to come through and almost turned in on the Leon
Another interesting one at the end of this video with the Leon
https://youtu.be/84pWcC_Z0kU
I only expected one car to come through and almost turned in on the Leon
https://youtu.be/TQG1BMh-ysA
16:45 onwards a BMW that doesn't want to let me past so he slows me and himself down by trying to stay in front lol
16:45 onwards a BMW that doesn't want to let me past so he slows me and himself down by trying to stay in front lol
upsidedownmark said:
While I completely agree they shouldn't have been overtaking there, the other view might be to argue that the polo was inviting them through by going wide of the line.
Hard to say from a video, but it didn't look like the evo/scoob were really on the limit and could have slotted in behind - one reason I personally don't like people trying to get out the way / driving on the mirrors too much; unless you're very good you do better focussing on where you need to go, being predictable (i.e. taking the line) and getting on with moving forwards. I think I'd probably have started to squeeze left a bit early to give a clear signal.
Of course it might just be that they're complete asses, but another angle.
Watch the chase cam - the Evo was inside the cam car during the braking zone which is a big no-no on a public track day. Turn in point is around the yellow cone - if the cam car had turned in there, it wouldn't have ended well for either of them. Only reason the cam car went off line was to avoid the Evo being naughty. Hard to say from a video, but it didn't look like the evo/scoob were really on the limit and could have slotted in behind - one reason I personally don't like people trying to get out the way / driving on the mirrors too much; unless you're very good you do better focussing on where you need to go, being predictable (i.e. taking the line) and getting on with moving forwards. I think I'd probably have started to squeeze left a bit early to give a clear signal.
Of course it might just be that they're complete asses, but another angle.
I was, and I already said the pass shouldn't have been there.
However, I disagree that it was necessarily going to end badly. The evo came in on a shallow line, and held a tight line out. If you're (over) committed that simply doesn't work. I'd also expect the evo to be able to increase the gap on the brakes (i.e. haul up quicker). I see an element of positioning there and waiting to see if the OP lets them through - does seem he's letting a lot of folks through there..
However, I disagree that it was necessarily going to end badly. The evo came in on a shallow line, and held a tight line out. If you're (over) committed that simply doesn't work. I'd also expect the evo to be able to increase the gap on the brakes (i.e. haul up quicker). I see an element of positioning there and waiting to see if the OP lets them through - does seem he's letting a lot of folks through there..
The annoying thing was that it completely threw me off and I had no idea whether to brake in my usual spot (there's a little trail/gap in the grass on the right I like to brake at) or brake earlier.
Then of course it lost me all my momentum and it took a while to catch up to the black subaru again. BMW driver must have been smirking cos I'm clearly driving like a bit of an ass after that lol
Then of course it lost me all my momentum and it took a while to catch up to the black subaru again. BMW driver must have been smirking cos I'm clearly driving like a bit of an ass after that lol
I just realised I can't moan at all as I've jus caught myself doing the exact same thing at 10:30
https://youtu.be/R5r7v7sYng0
Although it was an honest mistake and I had the manners to let the car through
https://youtu.be/R5r7v7sYng0
Although it was an honest mistake and I had the manners to let the car through
upsidedownmark said:
While I completely agree they shouldn't have been overtaking there, the other view might be to argue that the polo was inviting them through by going wide of the line.
Hard to say from a video, but it didn't look like the evo/scoob were really on the limit and could have slotted in behind - one reason I personally don't like people trying to get out the way / driving on the mirrors too much; unless you're very good you do better focussing on where you need to go, being predictable (i.e. taking the line) and getting on with moving forwards. I think I'd probably have started to squeeze left a bit early to give a clear signal.
Of course it might just be that they're complete asses, but another angle.
I agree about keeping to the racing line and being predictable, or others might interperate it as a signal to come past (even though they shouldn't!). But overtaking cars should anticipate that cars may go offline, and wait for a reasonable length straight to make a pass. Otherwise you end up doing something silly like me in this video... In my defence though we were doing a day of alternating trackday and testing sessions and I genuinely thought it was a test session instead of a trackday!Hard to say from a video, but it didn't look like the evo/scoob were really on the limit and could have slotted in behind - one reason I personally don't like people trying to get out the way / driving on the mirrors too much; unless you're very good you do better focussing on where you need to go, being predictable (i.e. taking the line) and getting on with moving forwards. I think I'd probably have started to squeeze left a bit early to give a clear signal.
Of course it might just be that they're complete asses, but another angle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drhbp7KvUak
JoeMarano said:
As a radical driver why are they extremely fast on trackdays or ridiculously slow? Bit like Caterhams!
Hired out to corporates. Some drivers will be on their first track day. A Radical is a low, brutal machine that needs 'grabbing hold of'. Intimidating to any nervous or a noob.Interesting cars as they definitely have aero. Get to 80mph or so and you feel it, which means that fast corners can be taken a lot faster - obviously, but do you have the balls?. I only had a day in one and i know there was a lot left in the car. First corner at Snett is quite fast 80 or so in my own car, in the Radical the aero is just kicking in and you know it has another 30mph in it. It was going to take a while to learn that and build confidence.
JoeMarano said:
That wasn't too bad and easily done! Neither of you had to swerve or come to a stop or anything.
It probably seemed closer at the time than it really was. I was expecting him to stay on the racing line through Brooklands, but he may have seen me and tried to let me through by coming offline.
As a radical driver why are they extremely fast on trackdays or ridiculously slow? Bit like Caterhams!
It's probably just down to who's driving... If driven well they will be quick, but sometimes the driver might not have much experience in something like a Radical. If its one of the first few times of driving it can be a bit sensory overload and reasonably competent trackdayer used to something less track focussed can suddenly forget how to brake, steer, or use mirrors! (Or they might just be a numpty)It probably seemed closer at the time than it really was. I was expecting him to stay on the racing line through Brooklands, but he may have seen me and tried to let me through by coming offline.
As a radical driver why are they extremely fast on trackdays or ridiculously slow? Bit like Caterhams!
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