High mileage track cars

High mileage track cars

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Frimley111R

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15,615 posts

234 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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I am looking for a track slag but the cheaper they are the higher the miles. Should that worry me? What mileages are you up to?

loggyboy

279 posts

178 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Just clocked up 169k on the 182. A few faults here and there but nothing Ive not not had with lower/average mileage cars.
Like any use car - a low mileage badly serviced/maintained car is likely to be more trouble than one with high milage thats been cared for.

CABC

5,568 posts

101 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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yep, condition is everything.
27yr old mx5 with 245k km. engine producing more than original spec! 20+ track days no probs.
i suspect car hadn't been nurtured before being converted to a track car by previous owners, but here's the thing: track use will soon find any problems and if it gets past that initial hurdle then track cars are normally treated quite well (warm up, cool down frequent fluid changes and inspections). test engine is strong on buying and shouldn't be an undue worry.

mmm-five

11,236 posts

284 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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I'm running a BMW Z4MC that's now on over 150k.

It does some UK track day duty and twice-yearly, 5 day Ring trips of 25-40 laps each time. Other than that it's either sitting on the motorway for 2-3 hours at a time, or hooning around Wales, The Lakes, Scotland or the Peak District.

To maintain the reliability, the car is serviced more often (i.e. oil service every 3 months) and of course it goes through a fair amount of pads & petrol (about 14mpg on the Ring). But it's much cheaper/better than my e34 M5s were (less than 10mpg).

The only track-specific things it's had done to it are better pads & Bilstein B16 suspension - as it's still got to do the daily driver duties too.



Edited by mmm-five on Friday 17th February 13:46

ukkid35

6,171 posts

173 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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In all fairness my 928 has been retired from trackday duty, but it had 230k miles at DN13 here in 2015. It does have new Bilsteins and is mechanically pretty good

It sometimes has to act as backup car when the Cerb is sulking




But the last time the Cerb was being petulant a very good mate lent me his Teg (while he was busy changing nappies)




ukkid35

6,171 posts

173 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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This might be the last chance to post video, bearing in mind the new T&Cs so here goes

http://vimeo.com/141477057

brillomaster

1,253 posts

170 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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lets see, we're currently on high mileage bmw number 4... the current one has 196k on the clock, which is probably why it was only 650 quid. so yeah the expansion tank sprung a leak, but that could happen on any car.

but its so far so good on track driving - done 4 trackdays, engine is sounding strong and pulls nicely, gearbox is ok considering the mileage. one possible area would be tired bushes, but if it fails an mot they'll get replaced.

sure a lower mileage car might possibly last longer, but i figure if a car has made it to 196k and all appears well on the test drive, its probably a good'un. but at 650 quid, its only got to do 6 trackdays before i'm happy i've had my moneys worth if it does go bang.

rallycross

12,785 posts

237 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Condition and recent history / maintenance is always more relevant than what it says on the odometer.

sheps

738 posts

197 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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Used to have an e36 328, that topped 225k around Clearways at Brands !

james_gt3rs

4,816 posts

191 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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CABC said:
track cars are normally treated quite well (warm up, cool down frequent fluid changes and inspections).
True but they are also battered at the rev limiter all the time, so I think on balance the engine will wear more on track..

CABC

5,568 posts

101 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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james_gt3rs said:
CABC said:
track cars are normally treated quite well (warm up, cool down frequent fluid changes and inspections).
True but they are also battered at the rev limiter all the time, so I think on balance the engine will wear more on track..
it may well wear more on track per mile, true. But, track cars:
- are normally lighter
- have very few cold starts per year
- very little load below 30mph (the strain of wot at 40mph+ is less than fast driving in traffic)
- only need to do another 4yrs/20k and everyone is happy. Many seem to do a lot more.

A lot of high milers live on. many that do explode often do so after mods.


anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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It's always a balance, but as long as the engine isn't making any nasty noises, runs well and isn't smoking I'd be happy with paying less for a high mileage track slag. The engine was absolutely fine in my 130k mile Clio 182, you just have to expect a bit more maintenance on things like injectors, sensors, MAFs, etc.

HustleRussell

24,637 posts

160 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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IME most track cars are trigger's broom anyway, mileage is pretty much irrelevant once its been re-shelled, it's on its third engine and its second gearbox and most of the drivetrain components have been replaced a few times...

iguana

7,036 posts

260 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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sheps said:
Used to have an e36 328, that topped 225k around Clearways at Brands !
Its still going strong! & tracked last yr with yr old M3 that you were selling this one for years ago, tho hes pretty slow & this old girl murdered him smile



Edited by iguana on Thursday 16th February 21:02

Chr1sch

2,585 posts

193 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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My Pug has done 163k, still going strong, but that said only the shell, gearbox and the bottom end have done that distance

As per others quotes, regular oil changes, good servicing with quality parts etc etc

edh

3,498 posts

269 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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Currently approaching 238k miles



Although on second engine now after the oil pickup fractured at Spa a couple of years ago. Was much cheaper to replace than rebuild, & the new engine is significantly stronger

Looking forward to my first trackday since DN last year - Bedford tomorrow

IdiotRace

131 posts

186 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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HustleRussell said:
IME most track cars are trigger's broom anyway, mileage is pretty much irrelevant once its been re-shelled, it's on its third engine and its second gearbox and most of the drivetrain components have been replaced a few times...
My mr2 has about 250,000km the turbo failed a couple years ago at Bedford and was replaced. However the engine is starting to get a bit leggy, using a bit of oil on track and the gearbox gets very hard to select second after a long session. I'm remedying this by fitting a rebuilt engine, a lower mileage gearbox and I keep thinking about getting a quaife to replace the std rubbish lsd......

git-r

969 posts

199 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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Really good thread this. How many miles have people covered on track without problem?

HustleRussell

24,637 posts

160 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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git-r said:
Really good thread this. How many miles have people covered on track without problem?
I've no idea what the odometer shows on the Caterham Supersport I bought last month. I've deduced that it was built for the 2009 Caterham Academy and has raced pretty much continuously since. The only 'history' it came with was a complete film of engine oil from when it's first engine voided its bowels and a thorough coating of what appears to be cement dust or gravel dust from its last outing with its previous owner (Estoril, I think). I'll find out whether it was a good purchase on Tuesday when I drive it for the first time...

HokumPokum

2,051 posts

205 months

Saturday 18th February 2017
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i completely think there are no savings on this front.





You should start out with the best example your budget allows. Track usage increases wear and tear tremendously and if a car lives mostly on track rather than occasional track usage then it makes sense that everything that can break will given usage and time wear out. That's why due consideration must be given to lighter cars and those with cheapish replacement parts that are readily available.

My CSL has been upgraded with a FIA spec csl cup shell on standard drivetrain. During the last 3 years I have owned the car, I've had cooling upgrades, fuel system upgrades, suspension upgrades, exhaust and brake upgrades. It's been a deep pit but there is little choice if you are addicted to a beautifully balanced bmw rear drive chassis and that straight six wail. So I would advise to look at your budget, look at the 2 must haves re a track car and narrow down from there. If you are realistic it will narrow down your choices tremendously. Good luck.