the ring, insurance questions

[TheRainMaker]

andyiley said:

TheRainMaker said:

Do they check insurance documents when you enter the ring?

I've spent the past few hours on the phone and no one will supply third party cover.

I can get my own car covered but not third party.

What do people do? hope they don't crash into someone else?

I can only assume you have read none of the above thread then.

Yes, most of it but the last post was september last year and things might have changed

Edited by TheRainMaker on Tuesday 3rd June 21:32

[CapnSlow]

I went there a few weeks ago on a tourist day. I checked with my insurance company and after an initial no, I reasoned with them that it was a derestricted toll road in the EU and that as it wasn't excluded in the policy I bought from them they should insure me. They agreed. I was covered. Thankfully I didn't hit anything or anyone.

[e46m3c]

any change in this status quo ?

Would be great if someone started offering 3rd party cover. After all, most incidents dont affect 3rd party.

[Tyre Smoke]

e46m3c said:

any change in this status quo ?

Would be great if someone started offering 3rd party cover. After all, most incidents dont affect 3rd party.

Really?

So, replacement ARMCO - 3rd Party? The hospital bill for the biker that slips on your spilt fluids from your 'off' - 3rd Party? The legal bill and compensation when said biker succumbs to his/her injuries - 3rd Party?

I could go on.

[e46m3c]

i didnt see anyone bite the dust on oil when i was there. i would imagine thats is a very rare occurrence.

armco / closure valid.

[Munter]

e46m3c said:

i didnt see anyone bite the dust on oil when i was there. i would imagine thats is a very rare occurrence.

armco / closure valid.

Plenty of video shows bikers coming off on someone else oil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqyF-9Ro1dk

And they are only where someone can be bothered to film it on some days. Based on plenty of video from a few corners on a few days. I'd say it's reasonably common enough to want to insure against.

[terenceb]

e46m3c said:

i didnt see anyone bite the dust on oil when i was there. i would imagine thats is a very rare occurrence.

armco / closure valid.

Certainly not rare, ask the poor biker who has comprehensivly written his bike off and caused an hours track closure whilst the armco was replaced.All because a driver decided to drive on for around a kilometer with a burst raditor hose before stopping, all of which falls under "Third Party".
He was quite happily chatting to his two mates on the other side of the armco when I drove past (fortunately spotting his coolant spill) before arriving at the spot.
I wonder how he feels tonight?

[e46m3c]

o dear. perhaps it is worse than i thought then.

How many people use the ring per day vs how many people cause 3rd party damage excluding armco?

Im sure someone could make some money on that?

Is someone crashing on your dropped fluid really liable? Surely its for them to be driving at a safe speed to suit the conditions. Fully knowing there could be oil, mud, diesel, grass, flat-squirrel at any point as is the case on any road.

[Soov535]

e46m3c said:

Im sure someone could make some money on that?

Is someone crashing on your dropped fluid really liable?

1. No
2. Yes

[e46m3c]

uk rules trackday it is then.

[terenceb]

Perhaps but most uk circuits you learn in around four laps. At what point do you become bored?

[evojam]

The Ring is a fantastic place and will give you the time of your life but show it respect..accidents can and will happen..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml8B6_FNs64

[GC8]

When I last visited I replaced the coolant with distilled water. This wont absolve you of all responsibility in all circumstances, but water is water and very different from slippery coolant.

[terenceb]

Problem there being water is still slippery and I dont the powers that be would accept that as a line of defence.

[GC8]

Water is far less slippy than coolant, though.

[tertius]

GC8 said:

Water is far less slippy than coolant, though.

Quite, there is a reason many race series forbid the use of coolant and require water/water wetter only.

[terenceb]

Right, your going balls out into Angst-nice warm sunny day and someone has dumped a radfull of water.What happens next?
Tracks get slippery after natural water has dropped onto it so just because someone has filled thier rad with it makes no difference-try arguing that one with the ticket office marshals-they deserve a good laugh.

[Willie Dee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umWGoO-OFgo

There's an uphill right that features in quite a few incidents (2:18 for instance). including bikes.
What's tricky about that corner - oil, maybe??

[tertius]

Willie Dee said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umWGoO-OFgo

There's an uphill right that features in quite a few incidents (2:18 for instance). including bikes.
What's tricky about that corner - oil, maybe??

That's Ex-Muehle - probably the camber change, it goes from positive to neutral quite quickly, plus people tend to be on the gas quite hard as they are going uphill after a slow section past the exit at Breidsheid.

[GC8]

terenceb said:

Right, your going balls out into Angst-nice warm sunny day and someone has dumped a radfull of water.What happens next?
Tracks get slippery after natural water has dropped onto it so just because someone has filled thier rad with it makes no difference-try arguing that one with the ticket office marshals-they deserve a good laugh.

No one is arguing except for you. Worringly for someone who touts themselves as an experienced racer, your knowledge seems to be lacking.

Water is less slippery than coolant and this is why some series require its use. No one has suggested that water will not cause a lack of adhesion, apart from you in order to create an foolish argument.