Employee caught smoking at work...again and again!

Employee caught smoking at work...again and again!

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Tsippy

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15,077 posts

170 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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A friend of mine runs a printing company and has had issues with one of her staff smoking inside the building. She has warned him several times yet he continues to do it (Which has annoyed her as it shows a lack of respect but also that she could face a heavy fine if it was found out!)

As it is now illegal to do so, she wanted to know if smoking inside a works building would be grounds for instant dismissal?

Cheers!

Davel

8,982 posts

259 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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I'm sure that it is but, if your friend wants to go this route, take proper legal advice just to protect the company.

Landlord

12,689 posts

258 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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Yeah - at the very least, try ACAS.

Perhaps also get specific employment law advice from a professional (her bank may offer such a service).

gr1m reaper

146 posts

212 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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Landlord said:
Yeah - at the very least, try ACAS.

Perhaps also get specific employment law advice from a professional (her bank may offer such a service).
This!

Tsippy

Original Poster:

15,077 posts

170 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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Thanks, I'll pass the suggestions along!

Mojooo

12,749 posts

181 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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I would be looking at recording 3-4 instances minimum before sacking him.

don4l

10,058 posts

177 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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Tsippy said:
A friend of mine runs a printing company and has had issues with one of her staff smoking inside the building. She has warned him several times yet he continues to do it (Which has annoyed her as it shows a lack of respect but also that she could face a heavy fine if it was found out!)

As it is now illegal to do so, she wanted to know if smoking inside a works building would be grounds for instant dismissal?

Cheers!
Isn't the fine just £50.00?

Don
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davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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It's easy enough.

First thing tomorrow, notice on the noticeboard, telling all employees that smoking is against the law and is considered misconduct, and will be dealt with accordingly.

If he continues to smoke, go through the full disciplinary process - pretty bloody easy in that situation, it's not as if he can pretend he wasn't smoking.

TNL

672 posts

171 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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don4l said:
Isn't the fine just £50.00?

Don
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At my school, i think all the stickers say fine of £2000

TurricanII

1,516 posts

199 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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Check his contract. Ours says that smoking on company or customer premesis/property is forbidden and a disciplinary matter.

Don't just tell him, invite him to a meeting to receive a written warning. Tell him he can bring a representitive. Tell him that the next step is the sack.

The fact that it is illegal to smoke on site might mean you can and should disciplin him even if smoking is not mentioned in the contract. I as an employer would want to avoid being seen to condone smoking on site - and to do this I think I would have to give a written warning immediately.

I am not a lawyer but I would act as above without paying for advice. Do seek some HR advice if you are not as gung ho.

mph1977

12,467 posts

169 months

Thursday 16th June 2011
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TurricanII said:
Check his contract. Ours says that smoking on company or customer premesis/property is forbidden and a disciplinary matter.

Don't just tell him, invite him to a meeting to receive a written warning. Tell him he can bring a representitive. Tell him that the next step is the sack.

The fact that it is illegal to smoke on site might mean you can and should disciplin him even if smoking is not mentioned in the contract. I as an employer would want to avoid being seen to condone smoking on site - and to do this I think I would have to give a written warning immediately.

I am not a lawyer but I would act as above without paying for advice. Do seek some HR advice if you are not as gung ho.
i'd agree with that , also it's fairly standard that repeated episodes of one type/ level of misconduct elevate it to the next

in this case - get the employee in and point out after all the previous informal warnings this is the formal first warning and next time it's serious misconduct and a final warning - anything out of line after that and it;s goodnight vienna ...

but IANAL / IANAHRP so get proper advice about the pit falls of doing this .




hidetheelephants

24,500 posts

194 months

Thursday 16th June 2011
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Verbal warning's already been done so the procedure for further offences will be something like written warning > final warning > P45, but whatever is in his T&Cs.

rog007

5,761 posts

225 months

Thursday 16th June 2011
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Smoking inside a printing company eek

I'd get a fire extinguisher out and use it the next time it happened (as a precaution of course) hehe