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After 3 yrs and 7 months at my current employer, who themselves are a decent company, i've quit!
Had a rough 18 months - not the company as such - company is decent, as are top-line managers, but more the team, and in particular one individual that i've had to work with, as well as a Client who's taken all the skill out of my job and turned it into a massive form filling exercise, one of which no one else seems to want to be accountable so all the 'problems' come back to me, whilst everyone else takes the benefits. First 18 months or so went well, and the chap i was working with was replaced with 2 or 3 job's worths - one in particular as i said who a few of us have named "teflon" as he's none-stick. Problem for me is that his Director is his best mate, to the point that when his director turned 41, they had a night out - just the two of them. So, any issues i have fall on deaf ears. Also, teflon likes a pint or two at lunchtime and rolls in later in the afternoon like the local village idiot, no productivity, lots of insults to others, and delegates out his emails/workload like a machine gun at full chat!
Anyway, wasn't looking to move, was going to try and stick the job for 4 yrs, just so it looked a bit better on my cv if nothing else - but on my way to a meeting in Hull back in June, and got a phone call whereby i'd normally fob them off with 'no, im happy at the moment' or 'yeah, i'll email my cv over later' and then never do; but this time was genuinely interested.
Had 2 interviews, one of which was 100+ miles away with a Snr board member, and after a lot of too-ing and fro-ing, mainly due to lots of people concerned being on hols, have agreed to the figure that i suggested and jobs in the bag.
4 weeks notice, have offered myself 5 weeks, start at the new place on 3rd Oct.
Not spoken to my boss as yet as he's on Pat Leave (felt a bit cruel dropping that on him - so passed letter to MD who i know has since spoken to boss) but i await a counter-offer given that my role is quite important and they've got some serious 'form-filling' training to give to others if im going. Doubt any offer they can afford will quite be good enough because apparently they have no pay-rise budget. We'll see.
Either way, feel like a massive weight has been lifted! Weird that onl leaving has really made me realise how much i've not really enjoyed the last 12-18 months!
Onwards and upwards!
Had a rough 18 months - not the company as such - company is decent, as are top-line managers, but more the team, and in particular one individual that i've had to work with, as well as a Client who's taken all the skill out of my job and turned it into a massive form filling exercise, one of which no one else seems to want to be accountable so all the 'problems' come back to me, whilst everyone else takes the benefits. First 18 months or so went well, and the chap i was working with was replaced with 2 or 3 job's worths - one in particular as i said who a few of us have named "teflon" as he's none-stick. Problem for me is that his Director is his best mate, to the point that when his director turned 41, they had a night out - just the two of them. So, any issues i have fall on deaf ears. Also, teflon likes a pint or two at lunchtime and rolls in later in the afternoon like the local village idiot, no productivity, lots of insults to others, and delegates out his emails/workload like a machine gun at full chat!
Anyway, wasn't looking to move, was going to try and stick the job for 4 yrs, just so it looked a bit better on my cv if nothing else - but on my way to a meeting in Hull back in June, and got a phone call whereby i'd normally fob them off with 'no, im happy at the moment' or 'yeah, i'll email my cv over later' and then never do; but this time was genuinely interested.
Had 2 interviews, one of which was 100+ miles away with a Snr board member, and after a lot of too-ing and fro-ing, mainly due to lots of people concerned being on hols, have agreed to the figure that i suggested and jobs in the bag.
4 weeks notice, have offered myself 5 weeks, start at the new place on 3rd Oct.
Not spoken to my boss as yet as he's on Pat Leave (felt a bit cruel dropping that on him - so passed letter to MD who i know has since spoken to boss) but i await a counter-offer given that my role is quite important and they've got some serious 'form-filling' training to give to others if im going. Doubt any offer they can afford will quite be good enough because apparently they have no pay-rise budget. We'll see.
Either way, feel like a massive weight has been lifted! Weird that onl leaving has really made me realise how much i've not really enjoyed the last 12-18 months!
Onwards and upwards!
Edited by sider on Saturday 27th August 23:23
h as they know you are only after money.Re: Counter Offer - if an individual who resigns from a role is given a counter offer and subsequently accepts that counter offer, then there will still be a question over loyalty to the firm which could put that individual in a negative light especially when it concerns future promotions or future redundancies.
Romanymagic said:
Re: Counter Offer - if an individual who resigns from a role is given a counter offer and subsequently accepts that counter offer, then there will still be a question over loyalty to the firm which could put that individual in a negative light especially when it concerns future promotions or future redundancies.
I would normally agree. I have only accepted a counter offer once, for my current employer. I'd been made a very good offer from another company (unsolicited headhunt) - and I told my employer that I was going to resign (had a signed contract). They were very professional, and only after a number of negotiations did I accept, including the CEO volunteering an apology to me for may pay being so out of kilter; HR had been hiding the issues. He promised no repercussions if I stayed. Four years on, I've been promoted 3 times, so I guess they kept to their word.
But generally, be very careful with a counter offer! I feel I was the exception. It depends how professional and mature the company is.
Not really 'a might' there.
The wife thinks there is, but i really don't. I'm going for a fair bit more cash to be honest, so it'd have to be a good offer - and i really can't imagine being there more than 5 more weeks longer - far too much s**t to deal with!
As for counter-offers - i sort of accepted one once. One of my old bosses at my first job said 'are you sure you're doing the right thing' and i reflected for 24 hours with no offer as such from him, then realised he was right. Went back and said 'probably not' and he offered a few £k more to balance things out a bit, and i stayed for another 2 yrs or so. I share the thought on loyalty though. If i was the boss and one of my staff threatened to leave, and then accepted the counter-offer, whether they stayed or not, i'd put them at the back of the queue should anything else ever come on offer, and they'd get all the bad jobs to sort. Make them work for that extra £k that they've just creamed out of me!
As for having already emotionally having left the company, well i'm going looking at my new company car tomorrow (first time i've ever been able to shop seriously INSIDE a BMW showroom), so i reckon you're probably right.
The wife thinks there is, but i really don't. I'm going for a fair bit more cash to be honest, so it'd have to be a good offer - and i really can't imagine being there more than 5 more weeks longer - far too much s**t to deal with!
As for counter-offers - i sort of accepted one once. One of my old bosses at my first job said 'are you sure you're doing the right thing' and i reflected for 24 hours with no offer as such from him, then realised he was right. Went back and said 'probably not' and he offered a few £k more to balance things out a bit, and i stayed for another 2 yrs or so. I share the thought on loyalty though. If i was the boss and one of my staff threatened to leave, and then accepted the counter-offer, whether they stayed or not, i'd put them at the back of the queue should anything else ever come on offer, and they'd get all the bad jobs to sort. Make them work for that extra £k that they've just creamed out of me!
As for having already emotionally having left the company, well i'm going looking at my new company car tomorrow (first time i've ever been able to shop seriously INSIDE a BMW showroom), so i reckon you're probably right.
Don't look back. sounds like your current job is not turning out to be what you want or you wouldn't have considered an alternative.
Enjoy your notice period, it's usually quite relaxing when you know your job is coming to an end. Just don't get dragged into trying to sort out all the issues for your current employer in the next 4 weeks, seriously, kick back a bit and enjoy it
Starting a new job is always a pain for the first few weeks but it's nice to start over having left all the baggage that builds up over time behind.
Enjoy your notice period, it's usually quite relaxing when you know your job is coming to an end. Just don't get dragged into trying to sort out all the issues for your current employer in the next 4 weeks, seriously, kick back a bit and enjoy it
Starting a new job is always a pain for the first few weeks but it's nice to start over having left all the baggage that builds up over time behind.
elanfan said:
I do hope that in the 5 weeks left you make a few chips in The Teflon
I'd love to punch teflon in the face but need to keep professional! I was thinking that i want to be the one to break the news to him. I think he'll be gutted as i've been his scapegoat for the last 18 months and now he'll have to make himself accoutanble. A bit of me wants to be nasty about it but i believe in not burning bridges so need to be nice-ish.
Piersman2 said:
Don't look back. sounds like your current job is not turning out to be what you want or you wouldn't have considered an alternative.
Exactly, if it had been going ok, i would've fobbed the recruiter off to that effect!Looking forward being baggage-less now again, been a while since i've not been!
As for enjoying notice-period - i will do. However, do i bust a ball getting things boxed off before i go, or do the bare min, i.e 8am to 5pm (on the dot) and not a minute more?
Whatever you do, leave on good terms. The world is a small place.
I'd sit down with your boss and agree a reasonable list of things that are outstanding before you leave. Ask him to prioritise and agree what must be done vs need to be done. Copy up to an email and send it to him and his boss... check off as you go. Anything incremental to the list should be "well, that's possible - but what do you want to drop off this list as I won't be here in x weeks?"
I'd sit down with your boss and agree a reasonable list of things that are outstanding before you leave. Ask him to prioritise and agree what must be done vs need to be done. Copy up to an email and send it to him and his boss... check off as you go. Anything incremental to the list should be "well, that's possible - but what do you want to drop off this list as I won't be here in x weeks?"
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