Headhunted and fired within a month
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although it may pain you to do it, your old company may happily re-employ you.
You were obviously doing fine there and they were happy with you, it wouldnt be the first or last time I have seen someone leave a company and return within weeks/months/years as the job they went to wasnt all it was cracked up to be.
Apart from that, you were in a probationary so dont think you have many rights, just make sure you use any inside info to your advantage in your next role should you have to compete with these guys. Something aling the lines of "probably wont be trading after the end of 2011 " should do it.
You were obviously doing fine there and they were happy with you, it wouldnt be the first or last time I have seen someone leave a company and return within weeks/months/years as the job they went to wasnt all it was cracked up to be.
Apart from that, you were in a probationary so dont think you have many rights, just make sure you use any inside info to your advantage in your next role should you have to compete with these guys. Something aling the lines of "probably wont be trading after the end of 2011 " should do it.
hman said:
although it may pain you to do it, your old company may happily re-employ you.
You were obviously doing fine there and they were happy with you, it wouldnt be the first or last time I have seen someone leave a company and return within weeks/months/years as the job they went to wasnt all it was cracked up to be.
Apart from that, you were in a probationary so dont think you have many rights, just make sure you use any inside info to your advantage in your next role should you have to compete with these guys. Something aling the lines of "probably wont be trading after the end of 2011 " should do it.
Is there something in employment law that means you don't have rights until after 1 year? You were obviously doing fine there and they were happy with you, it wouldnt be the first or last time I have seen someone leave a company and return within weeks/months/years as the job they went to wasnt all it was cracked up to be.
Apart from that, you were in a probationary so dont think you have many rights, just make sure you use any inside info to your advantage in your next role should you have to compete with these guys. Something aling the lines of "probably wont be trading after the end of 2011 " should do it.
Cupramax said:
Have I missed something here? You moved to an unknown quantity for the same money???? 
WTF.
The money wasnt the point. I just wanted a path for progression as there was none in the old company without relocating to London. Because I had been doing well in my previous position I had a couple of pay rises since I started and it was a pretty high basic for the industry. A parting gambit from the new company was that I was on 10K more basic than 90% of the rest of the sales staff and they couldnt afford to sustain it. WTF.In hindsight I agree it was a stupid thing to do! :-)
I have gone through the range of emotions over the weekend from anger to self pity and then back to anger again. Although I have now decided against driving my 'powerfully built' frame the 300 miles to the head office this morning and putting my fist through the Sales directors head.
Instead. I am going to speak to everyone I know in the industry and let them know I am availible and hope to have a job in the next few days.
Jimslips said:
Is there something in employment law that means you don't have rights until after 1 year?
I dont think so, its just that within a probationary period its very easy for the company to decide that progress is not being made by the individual and out they go. Very easy to come up with a plethora of reasons why they had to go and very difficult to counter claim it - especially if the company has other employees which have historically done better in the same period. What rights could the O/P go back to the employers with? , I dare say that an employee who's contract is terminated in a probationary period has a long and arduous road ahead if they want to get some form of compensation.
blazed said:
The money wasnt the point. I just wanted a path for progression as there was none in the old company without relocating to London. Because I had been doing well in my previous position I had a couple of pay rises since I started and it was a pretty high basic for the industry. A parting gambit from the new company was that I was on 10K more basic than 90% of the rest of the sales staff and they couldnt afford to sustain it.
In hindsight I agree it was a stupid thing to do! :-)
I have gone through the range of emotions over the weekend from anger to self pity and then back to anger again. Although I have now decided against driving my 'powerfully built' frame the 300 miles to the head office this morning and putting my fist through the Sales directors head.
Instead. I am going to speak to everyone I know in the industry and let them know I am availible and hope to have a job in the next few days.
Good luck, hope you get sorted with something. It just struck me as being a bit strange as the definition of being headhunted is you leave company A because company B has approached you and offered another job with better pay and higher status, so I'm guessing it was the status rather than pay in your case.In hindsight I agree it was a stupid thing to do! :-)
I have gone through the range of emotions over the weekend from anger to self pity and then back to anger again. Although I have now decided against driving my 'powerfully built' frame the 300 miles to the head office this morning and putting my fist through the Sales directors head.
Instead. I am going to speak to everyone I know in the industry and let them know I am availible and hope to have a job in the next few days.
Cupramax said:
Good luck, hope you get sorted with something. It just struck me as being a bit strange as the definition of being headhunted is you leave company A because company B has approached you and offered another job with better pay and higher status, so I'm guessing it was the status rather than pay in your case.
I am guessing it was progression which would mean status and payCan I just summarise that?
You left an established company where you were apparently happy for a startup who promised the earth (they all do) and for a package which was about the same as what you were on??
I'll assume it was a better basic to compensate for lower initial commissions (they're a startup, after all) and I can see why that's tempting but...
You're then surprised that they're only half-aware of what they're doing and not prepared at all!? Surely this wasn't entirely a surprise - all startups are like that!?
As for the legality of it - you have the same rights as anyone else EXCEPT for anything formally written-down in your contract as a probationary period and it's terms (so if they didn't write-it-down, you aren't on one and they have to follow normal redundancy procedures to get rid of you).
For them to say "you're not pulling your weight' when you've worked there for a short time and not been given the tools you'd expect is probably not going to stand scrutiny anyway. The thing is tho, you can't really force someone to employ you who doesn't want to employ you so the best you'll probably get is a new and more formal probation period (whilst they find a better excuse to s
tcan you - basically).
Moral of the story - if you goto a startup, ask for a LOT of money because it's a risky business.
p.s. shorter version - they headhunted you to steal your clients and they've either done that OR decided they're not worth having?
You left an established company where you were apparently happy for a startup who promised the earth (they all do) and for a package which was about the same as what you were on??
I'll assume it was a better basic to compensate for lower initial commissions (they're a startup, after all) and I can see why that's tempting but...
You're then surprised that they're only half-aware of what they're doing and not prepared at all!? Surely this wasn't entirely a surprise - all startups are like that!?
As for the legality of it - you have the same rights as anyone else EXCEPT for anything formally written-down in your contract as a probationary period and it's terms (so if they didn't write-it-down, you aren't on one and they have to follow normal redundancy procedures to get rid of you).
For them to say "you're not pulling your weight' when you've worked there for a short time and not been given the tools you'd expect is probably not going to stand scrutiny anyway. The thing is tho, you can't really force someone to employ you who doesn't want to employ you so the best you'll probably get is a new and more formal probation period (whilst they find a better excuse to s
tcan you - basically).Moral of the story - if you goto a startup, ask for a LOT of money because it's a risky business.
p.s. shorter version - they headhunted you to steal your clients and they've either done that OR decided they're not worth having?
Edited by johnpeat on Monday 31st October 12:41
johnpeat said:
Can I just summarise that?
You left an established company where you were apparently happy for a startup who promised the earth (they all do) and for a package which was about the same as what you were on??
I'll assume it was a better basic to compensate for lower initial commissions (they're a startup, after all) and I can see why that's tempting but...
You're then surprised that they're only half-aware of what they're doing and not prepared at all!? Surely this wasn't entirely a surprise - all startups are like that!?
As for the legality of it - you have the same rights as anyone else EXCEPT for anything formally written-down in your contract as a probationary period and it's terms (so if they didn't write-it-down, you aren't on one and they have to follow normal redundancy procedures to get rid of you).
For them to say "you're not pulling your weight' when you've worked there for a short time and not been given the tools you'd expect is probably not going to stand scrutiny anyway. The thing is tho, you can't really force someone to employ you who doesn't want to employ you so the best you'll probably get is a new and more formal probation period (whilst they find a better excuse to stcan you - basically).
Moral of the story - if you goto a startup, ask for a LOT of money because it's a risky business.
p.s. shorter version - they headhunted you to steal your clients and they've either done that OR decided they're not worth having?
Not a terrible synopsis I suppose.You left an established company where you were apparently happy for a startup who promised the earth (they all do) and for a package which was about the same as what you were on??
I'll assume it was a better basic to compensate for lower initial commissions (they're a startup, after all) and I can see why that's tempting but...
You're then surprised that they're only half-aware of what they're doing and not prepared at all!? Surely this wasn't entirely a surprise - all startups are like that!?
As for the legality of it - you have the same rights as anyone else EXCEPT for anything formally written-down in your contract as a probationary period and it's terms (so if they didn't write-it-down, you aren't on one and they have to follow normal redundancy procedures to get rid of you).
For them to say "you're not pulling your weight' when you've worked there for a short time and not been given the tools you'd expect is probably not going to stand scrutiny anyway. The thing is tho, you can't really force someone to employ you who doesn't want to employ you so the best you'll probably get is a new and more formal probation period (whilst they find a better excuse to s
tcan you - basically).Moral of the story - if you goto a startup, ask for a LOT of money because it's a risky business.
p.s. shorter version - they headhunted you to steal your clients and they've either done that OR decided they're not worth having?
Edited by johnpeat on Monday 31st October 12:41
I should just point out that although they are/were a startup a massive UK household name bought a 51% stake in the business a couple of months ago and they were rebranded under this banner.
I wouldnt have dreamt of going to them if it were not for the big name backing.
They havent fired me for anything to do with my performance really as far as I can tell. It seems to me that the new owner has gotten cold feet and they are threatening to pull the plug if costs arent met etc. So they have got rid of the last/most expensive person in.
anonymous said:
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They havent got my client list! I did some deals with some good customers through them. so they have these people but they dont have my client list by any stretch of the imagination.I generally am a very switched on bloke and dont make silly mistakes like this.
This is why its hurting me soo much!
blazed said:
Yep. Thats exactly how its feels. Now what I need to know is how I make life difficult for them and/or get revenge.
Call your clients - all of them - and explain that it's "come to your attention that something is amiss at XXX" and that as a result you've "moved on and want to highlight that they've maybe not the best people to deal with in the interim".Should do for a start - make sure you're just passing on your personal opinion, of course, it's not a lie when it's just an omission...
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