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1,392 posts

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Hello guys, I could really do with some input if possible.

I've been with my employer for nearly 4 years now. 3 year apprenticeship and 9 months as a full time member of staff. In those 3 years and 9 months (particularly the last 15 months or so) a combination of poor management, bullying and racism has managed to wear away all enthusiasm and joy I got from what I thought would be my dream job.

I'm not proud to say it but I've turned to some pretty grim coping mechanisms to get me through with life (not during working hours I hasten to add). Drinking and the re-occurrence of my teenage self harm tendencies are the ones worth mentioning to give you some sort of idea. I've been low. Very low. I've been to the doctors regarding 'depression' and was even given a note to say that I was permitted to take random days off due to a undisclosed illness, but I still 'forced' myself to go regardless.

I'm not proud to say, Last monday I woke up, put on my work clothes and sobbed my eyes out from the moment I closed the door all the way there. All week I welled up as some as I caught a glimpse of the building and every night I drank so I could forget that I'd have to repeat the process again the next day.

And when I woke up, put my work clothes on and sobbed my eyes out this monday. The thought of doing exactly the same thing seemed impossible, so I snapped and I simply went to bed. And did nothing but sleep for 20 odd hours.

I know I screwed up by not calling in, but I couldn't face the thought of it, any of it. I genuinely have the feeling that if I had 'forced' myself out to work that morning I would have done something stupid and wouldn't be typing this now.

Today I did manage, and spoke to my manager, apologized for yesterday and told him I was 'sick' and he was far from supportive. Talking about disciplinary actions on the phone and mentioning what I 'Should' be doing today isn't exactly what somebody who was having a full blown anxiety attack about making the phone call in the first place needs to hear.

Anyway, I appreciate that I am rambling now, but I need help because I'm terrified. I don't have the slightest clue as to what I'm going to, what I'm supposed to do, how much money I'm going to get paid this friday or anything. I know that I should call in tomorrow but I don't think I can do it full stop, in fact the thought alone is making me think some pretty dark thoughts.

I don't want to give them grounds to sack me, but in the same breath I don't actually think I care because the thought of going back is so unbearably horrible.

Give me some input someone, please?

Thanks

Use Psychology

9,919 posts

62 months

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i think the first thing you should do is talk to your doctor and take some time off with a sick note. you could get one to cover your unannounced absence too i guess.

short term you need to keep the job I guess, for financial reasons. I think I would use the time out to try to address, along with the employer, some of the issues. perhaps they won't be open to discussion at all? I don't know, but trying would be worthwhile. how big is your employer? any chance to find someone who would be a bit more impartial? the best way to approach it is in a constructive way along with the employer if that is possible.

if they want to kick you out, then if you are experiencing racism/racist bullying then they are leaving themselves open to a fair amount of retribution. perhaps start documenting these incidents now.

longer term - its probably not the job you hate, but the environment in your workplace. can you find somewhere else to do the same thing?

Eric Mc

67,846 posts

135 months

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How about starting to look for alternative employment?

279

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1,392 posts

59 months

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Wednesday 23rd May 2012 quote quote all
Use Psychology said:
i think the first thing you should do is talk to your doctor and take some time off with a sick note. you could get one to cover your unannounced absence too i guess.

short term you need to keep the job I guess, for financial reasons. I think I would use the time out to try to address, along with the employer, some of the issues. perhaps they won't be open to discussion at all? I don't know, but trying would be worthwhile. how big is your employer? any chance to find someone who would be a bit more impartial? the best way to approach it is in a constructive way along with the employer if that is possible.

if they want to kick you out, then if you are experiencing racism/racist bullying then they are leaving themselves open to a fair amount of retribution. perhaps start documenting these incidents now.

longer term - its probably not the job you hate, but the environment in your workplace. can you find somewhere else to do the same thing?
Thank you so much for your reply smile.

I honestly didn't think that a sick note could be written retrospectively, but it makes sense. I genuinely will not be able to pick up the phone to call them tomorrow, but the thought is still terrifying me.

As for the work place changing, I don't think it'll happen as Its been going on for years. You're either a favourite or you're not. If you're not you're bullied and taken advantage of until you're effectively nothing more than a drone. The bloke in the year above me went through it, he didn't come to work for about a month because of bullying and then came back, I assume banged out a plan, and it didn't work for him. In the end he got sacked for coming in drunk. I don't want to end up like him.

As for retribution, I honestly haven't thought about it. I like to think of myself as someone who could and would fight for that was right but as I stands this second right now, I can't face the thought of it, any of it to do with that place. I almost feel broken.

Anyway, I'm rambling again, but again, thanks for the reply!

Pommygranite

4,184 posts

86 months

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Youre young - leave, go traveling and take stock. Life's too short to be feeling this way and time out is a big help.

I understand the formal complaint route but that won't diminish your stress no matter how many wrongs you'd like to right and you'll end with a win maybe, but at what cost.
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crofty1984

9,925 posts

74 months

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You've done an apprenticeship, I assume you're qualified. Get another job.
There are all these other things you can and should be doing in the meantime as others have suggested, sick note, documenting employer's behavoiur etc. But the end goal is to work in a place you don't hate.

279

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1,392 posts

59 months

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Thanks guys.

I know that going to the doctor and seeing what can be done in regards to sick leave is the step I need to make next, and I'll make an appointment for tomorrow, but it is what to do afterwards that is concerning me.

My first thought was to put together an email and send it off to the contacts I have at the factory, my training provider and the head of H.R at head office giving them a little bit of an insight to exactly where I am and maybe mentioning that I want to start a grievance procedure, but in the same breath I'm wondering if it is even worth it. Nothing on my list past grievances is screaming out to me as completely out of order behaviour, its just sly, petty little things that have slowly whittled me down to the point I'm at now, I can't help but ask myself what is the point?

This will sound pathetic, but I feel like I've got precious little energy left and the time and effort I use to fight them is the time and effort I can't put into getting out of my current situation permanently, I.E looking for another form of employment. I don't want them to get away with it but I don't want to put myself in the position of needing to go back because I haven't been able to sort anything else out, but at the end of the day I need some sort of a wage coming in.

Oh, and I have a question - Is it acceptable to now have contact with work from here on out via letters rather than phone calls?. I know I am being a pathetic weirdo but please, please try to understand how difficult the thought alone of picking up the phone and speaking to my manager is. I haven't really suffered from 'anxiety' since my childhood years but this has brought it all back with a nasty vengeance.

N Dentressangle

2,489 posts

92 months

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TheFive said:
Top advice
Do all of the things this guy suggests - definitely the right way forward.

And go back to your GP: you're not well.

eta If you don't feel comfortable talking to your manager, is there someone in HR or a colleague who will take a message for you? Most decent companies wouldn't insist on you talking to one particular person at this stage - they'll just want to sort things out as quickly as possible. Letters would be an acceptable means of communication, but be wary of the kind of misunderstandings which can come from the written word only.

Edited by N Dentressangle on Wednesday 23 May 12:21

blindswelledrat

19,168 posts

102 months

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279 said:
My first thought was to put together an email and send it off to the contacts I have at the factory, my training provider and the head of H.R at head office giving them a little bit of an insight to exactly where I am and maybe mentioning that I want to start a grievance procedure, but in the same breath I'm wondering if it is even worth it. Nothing on my list past grievances is screaming out to me as completely out of order behaviour, its just sly, petty little things that have slowly whittled me down to the point I'm at now, I can't help but ask myself what is the point?

This will sound pathetic, but I feel like I've got precious little energy left and the time and effort I use to fight them is the time and effort I can't put into getting out of my current situation permanently, I.E looking for another form of employment. I don't want them to get away with it but I don't want to put myself in the position of needing to go back because I haven't been able to sort anything else out, but at the end of the day I need some sort of a wage coming in.

Oh, and I have a question - Is it acceptable to now have contact with work from here on out via letters rather than phone calls?. I know I am being a pathetic weirdo but please, please try to understand how difficult the thought alone of picking up the phone and speaking to my manager is. I haven't really suffered from 'anxiety' since my childhood years but this has brought it all back with a nasty vengeance.
279, regarding the grievance proceedure, I would forget it. It sounds like you are oversensitive to what is simply a crap working environment.
I cant help that starting grievance proceedures is only going to make you stressed and upset.
UNder the circumstances I would have thought emails are acceptable, or get a friend to call them on your behalf. Echo about the doctors. It doesn't take someone with medical training to recognise that you are not in a normal state of mind.

khushy

3,395 posts

89 months

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the first step to sorting this situation out is to "look after you" !!!!

Get some help - tell as many people as you can - share your thoughts and your feelings - you will immediately feel better smile

HOWEVER - as a responsible adult "looking after you" also means being an honourable person - go and talk to your employer - take a friend with you if you like - but go and be honest, tell them how you feel and why things are the way they are - you will feel a whole lot better, believe me and they might just surprise you - they have invested in you thus far - this is just a blip. Be a reasonable person - don't get legal - be human, as terrible as you may feel about the way that they are behaving right now, they are also human!

IMHO try and avoid a sick-note, this doesn't help anyone and will make you feel like you are the one at fault. Also try avoiding any legal recourse/employment law route either - the only winner will be the "system" and your employer will not thank you for it, they will however value and admire your honesty.

We all have to make it through life the best way we can and your situation, which sounds terrible and lost right now, could be a lot worse.

Someone once said "be true to yourself and everything else will sort itself out" wise words - it may not always work in your favour, but based on the law of averages you will come out ahead - which is good smile

Good Luck




Edited by khushy on Wednesday 23 May 12:43

279

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I don't see how I could avoid the sick note route to be honest? I can only self certify for a week that is nearly over and I'm not in any position to go back on Monday, I can't even do a phonecall, let alone go back in and face the music without a shed of proof that I'm mentally not doing very well.

I think my only short term option is to go to the doctors' tomorrow and explain the stress and anxiety I have towards work and seeing what they can offer. Then I'm going to send in a letter explaining the situation along with a photocopy of whatever I get from the doctor and maybe punt an email over to H.R at head office just to keep them in the loop. My direct managers will probably hate me for getting head office involved, but I'd like to let them know something is going on before my managers let them know something is going on, if they haven't already. Sound like a good plan?

I just need to buy some time until I A) Snap out out this and can return or B) Can sort something else out, but at this point I can't stop myself from doing anything else but worry.

The worst thing is that I know I'm being a pathetic, melodramatic idiot who needs to man up and get on with life but I can't find it within myself to do it. So I sit here and feel sorry for myself and worry, like a pathetic, melodramatic idiot who needs to man up and get on with life frown.

Cheers guys.

GadgeS3C

2,001 posts

34 months

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IMHO the most important step you can make is accepting you are ill and that it isn't about MTFU (yes, I know this is PH!).

Actually admitting you're struggling is a good step first step.

The stigma around stress and depression makes it difficult. It's a tough thing to do I suggest you seek help and take whatever time you need to sort it. I appreciate this may be a challenge with work, finances etc.

You're not alone - lots of helpful advice on the net & push your GP for support.

MentalSarcasm

5,120 posts

81 months

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I don't have any legal advice to give, but one thing about your latest post has prompted me to say something.

279 said:
My direct managers will probably hate me for getting head office involved
If your direct managers cared one iota about you then they would have noticed something was wrong with you and wouldn't have let it get to this stage.

You need to get this through your head; this is about YOU getting better.

Get yourself signed off for 2 weeks. First week don't even think about work, focus on yourself. If you've got some family you can stay with then go and see them for a few days, you'd be amazed at how a change of scenary can work wonders. If not then sleep in, potter around, watch some DVDs, read PH, but make sure you get out and get some fresh air even if all you do is walk around the park for 10 minutes a day. Exercise is good for depression as it releases endorphins, but I know it's difficult to find the energy for anything when you're feeling low hence why going for a walk is a good start. Basically, spend that first week focusing on YOU.

2nd week, time for a plan of action. Follow the advice above about contacting the Union and reading up on ACAS and the like. Sit down with a notebook and try to remember dates and times of racist comments and the other things that have been building up. Get your CV polished up (I've seen lots of people get great CV feedback off PH before so don't be afraid to ask for help there) and start looking for a new job. One way or another you can't stay at this company, it'll drag you back down to your low point eventually.

PH is a mine of information, once you dodge the minefield of MTFU comments. Read the advice the guys have given you above and get yourself in a position to start fighting your corner.

Edited by MentalSarcasm on Wednesday 23 May 19:04

N Dentressangle

2,489 posts

92 months

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Excellent advice on this thread.

Don't feel bad about going to your GP: you're not well. You need time and the right help to get better.

Hope things work out for you. smile

Condi

2,746 posts

41 months

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279 said:
The worst thing is that I know I'm being a pathetic, melodramatic idiot who needs to man up and get on with life but I can't find it within myself to do it. So I sit here and feel sorry for myself and worry, like a pathetic, melodramatic idiot who needs to man up and get on with life frown.
If you've done an apprenticeship and then less than a years work you can only be 24 at most!

No point being unhappy, and no shame in walking out if thats how you feel. No job is worth all that, especially at your age.

blindswelledrat

19,168 posts

102 months

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ALl you advising him to get his CV and a new job seem to be missing the part whereby 279 is mental.
I didn't know what other word to use, so sorry.
BUt the problem is clearly with his mentality and nothing particularly bad seems to be happening at work.
Its the latter that needs to be sorted because only then will he know how bad the work is.
In other words, you all seem to be assuming that his work is responsible for his state of mind, when the truth is quite likely to be the opposite surely? i.e. his attitude/state of mind/flakiness is responsible for a growing intolerance from teh management at work.

279

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blindswelledrat said:
ALl you advising him to get his CV and a new job seem to be missing the part whereby 279 is mental.
I didn't know what other word to use, so sorry.
BUt the problem is clearly with his mentality and nothing particularly bad seems to be happening at work.
Its the latter that needs to be sorted because only then will he know how bad the work is.
In other words, you all seem to be assuming that his work is responsible for his state of mind, when the truth is quite likely to be the opposite surely? i.e. his attitude/state of mind/flakiness is responsible for a growing intolerance from teh management at work.
You are aware that you are talking complete and utter horsest, right?

Perhaps you are quite right, maybe there isn't anything particularly bad happening at work, maybe I am being slightly over sensitive to a 'challenging' work environment but the point remains, when I started this job over 3 and a half years ago I was touched that I managed to score what I considered a dream job. When I've gone away for training I've pick up apprentice of the year, had every single one of my instructors I've had at our training centre so a big liking to me, I've been offered foreign work placements through the academy and must have impressed people to the point where executives who I have never met know me by name. I genuneily don't think achieving what I have achieved (and to be honest, I don't think I achieved much) would have been possible if I was the gibbering mental wreck you are trying to imply I am.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason (I know why, but I don't have irrefutable proof to back me up at a tribunal, so I've have to clinch my teeth and ignore it) the good impression I've managed to make away from work on training hasn't really transferred over in to day in, day out working life, and eventually I've been ground down to where I am now, genuinely unable to even call in sick. I'm not proud of that, neither do I say it is particularly normal, but I am willing to stand here and say to my dying breath that it is NOT all in my head, and suggesting otherwise is some crass, insensitive bullst.

At the end of the day you don't know me, what I've lived through and what I have achieved. All you are going off are a few emotional posts I've made during an emotional week for me.

slow_poke

691 posts

104 months

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BSR is right. Your problem right now is in your head. Mental, to use a poor choice of word.

You need to get your head on straight. Which will probably involve you changing jobs.

khushy

3,395 posts

89 months

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279 said:
You are aware that you are talking complete and utter horsest, right?

Perhaps you are quite right, maybe there isn't anything particularly bad happening at work, maybe I am being slightly over sensitive to a 'challenging' work environment but the point remains, when I started this job over 3 and a half years ago I was touched that I managed to score what I considered a dream job. When I've gone away for training I've pick up apprentice of the year, had every single one of my instructors I've had at our training centre so a big liking to me, I've been offered foreign work placements through the academy and must have impressed people to the point where executives who I have never met know me by name. I genuneily don't think achieving what I have achieved (and to be honest, I don't think I achieved much) would have been possible if I was the gibbering mental wreck you are trying to imply I am.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason (I know why, but I don't have irrefutable proof to back me up at a tribunal, so I've have to clinch my teeth and ignore it) the good impression I've managed to make away from work on training hasn't really transferred over in to day in, day out working life, and eventually I've been ground down to where I am now, genuinely unable to even call in sick. I'm not proud of that, neither do I say it is particularly normal, but I am willing to stand here and say to my dying breath that it is NOT all in my head, and suggesting otherwise is some crass, insensitive bullst.

At the end of the day you don't know me, what I've lived through and what I have achieved. All you are going off are a few emotional posts I've made during an emotional week for me.
so . . . you DO have fight in your belly - now MTFU and sort YOU out - do the right thing (not throwing your current job down the toilet, not throwing a sickie and not doing a tribunal - talk to them, bypass the structure if need be) and everything else will sort itself out - you seem more than capable.

Good Luck smile

Edited by khushy on Thursday 24th May 10:53

blindswelledrat

19,168 posts

102 months

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279 said:
You are aware that you are talking complete and utter horsest, right?

Perhaps you are quite right, maybe there isn't anything particularly bad happening at work, maybe I am being slightly over sensitive to a 'challenging' work environment but the point remains, when I started this job over 3 and a half years ago I was touched that I managed to score what I considered a dream job. When I've gone away for training I've pick up apprentice of the year, had every single one of my instructors I've had at our training centre so a big liking to me, I've been offered foreign work placements through the academy and must have impressed people to the point where executives who I have never met know me by name. I genuneily don't think achieving what I have achieved (and to be honest, I don't think I achieved much) would have been possible if I was the gibbering mental wreck you are trying to imply I am.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason (I know why, but I don't have irrefutable proof to back me up at a tribunal, so I've have to clinch my teeth and ignore it) the good impression I've managed to make away from work on training hasn't really transferred over in to day in, day out working life, and eventually I've been ground down to where I am now, genuinely unable to even call in sick. I'm not proud of that, neither do I say it is particularly normal, but I am willing to stand here and say to my dying breath that it is NOT all in my head, and suggesting otherwise is some crass, insensitive bullst.

At the end of the day you don't know me, what I've lived through and what I have achieved. All you are going off are a few emotional posts I've made during an emotional week for me.
Firstly, sorry if I have upset you. I wasnt 'implying' or twisting things to make you look a gibbering wreck deliberately, merely reading into what you've said yourself about being totally unable to pick up a phone or talk to people. So yes, I am just oging on a few emotional posts as you correctly point out.
I accept that you wouldn't have been there all that time if you were a permanent gibbering wrick, hence it is a recent downhill spiral.
However, I maintain that you have yet to describe anything particularly bad or stressfull which renders your job 'crap' and you certainly are not in the correct mental state currently to clearly assess these type of things. I am also suggesting that, whilst not being a psychologist, that it may not be your work making you mental, merely your psychological condition making work seem much worse than it is.

The answer is still the same, whether Im right or wrong, that there is no point doing anything until you have got head sorted out.
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