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Deva Link

26,934 posts

115 months

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fatboy69 said:
My other half, & son, have already gone away as the holiday was booked to start yesterday however I haven't gone he as want to see what the store manager has to say tomorrow.
I think, as others say, if push comes to shove you're stuffed as you haven't worked there for 12mths.

However, possible nuclear options: Human Rights Act (right to a family life) and Discrimination Act (part time workers).

fatboy69

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4,904 posts

57 months

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Yep. Tesco it is. Not the best employer tbh.

icetea

846 posts

12 months

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Deva Link said:
However, possible nuclear options: Human Rights Act (right to a family life) and Discrimination Act (part time workers).
This would be hilarious if you weren't actually serious. People with no idea what they're talking about really need to keep themselves out of the Jobs forum, or at least stop replying. Absolute nonsense like this is of no use whatsoever to anyone asking for help, and its just giving people completely wrong info that they might stupidly act on.

OP - you've worked there for less than a year. They can get rid of you without any reason at all and there is nothing you can do about it. The only thing that would save you here is if you had been discriminated against on the basis of a few protected groups - i.e. race, sex, etc. Clearly not the case here from what you have posted so that is a non starter.

Realistically you need to decide what you want to keep more - the holiday, or the job. It looks like you've already decided on holiday so its now damage limitation time. Can you get anything in writing from the old boss saying that he did agree to your holidays? I would also put it in writing to whatever appropriate person (not necessarily your boss who is arguing with you) that you agreed these holidays with x on y date and that you will be taking them. But if they want you gone... you're gone.

McHaggis

8,271 posts

25 months

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fatboy69 said:
Yep. Tesco it is. Not the best employer tbh.
They are paying you but you have no contract or payslip each week/month?

Deva Link

26,934 posts

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icetea said:
OP - you've worked there for less than a year. They can get rid of you without any reason at all and there is nothing you can do about it.
Which is exactly what I said. OK, the rest of it is TIC but once you're at that point you've nothing left to lose.

I don't know if you're right that he is going to go on holiday - he's already delayed his departure. He might as well go, if he doesn't get fired for taking unauthorised holiday then mentioning his employers name in the thread should do it.
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Raify

6,356 posts

118 months

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fatboy69 said:
Yep. Tesco it is. Not the best employer tbh.
You might find some good advice on this forum.

http://www.verylittlehelps.com

SmoothCriminal

1,016 posts

69 months

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Why are you completing holiday forms if your holiday was already granted in the first place?

If I was still there and i was a new manager and an employee came up to me with a holiday form I'd probably think they were a chancer who wanted to take some holidays on the quick especially saying they've already been granted them and if they're not in the holiday diary/planner(so wtf you giving me a holiday form for then??)

Anyway you have three options

If your holidays had been approved in your interview it will be in your file hopefully you have a friendly manager who you can ask to look into it for you (if someone asked me when I was there I wouldave done it for them so ask someone nicely)

Go to your pm and discuss it with him/her if they are not very helpful say you want to put in a grevance against the store manager under dignity at work this will most likely get your situation solved very quickly.

Do none of the above go on holiday and as you have already made them aware they will put you though the AWOL process and it will end up with some kind of disciplinary or dismissal if you leave it long enough.

Edited by SmoothCriminal on Monday 20th August 10:58

hornetrider

41,171 posts

75 months

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fatboy69 said:
Yep. Tesco it is. Not the best employer tbh.
Shocking employment practice from such a huge employer.

Johnnytheboy

7,377 posts

56 months

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fatboy69 said:
I meant to add that I put up a notice in the staff room asking if anyone could/would cover my shifts. It got taken down within an hour of me leaving the store last Thursday.

Also asked those that were in - they said they would have to ask the boss if it was ok although they knew the answer beforehand - no!

I didn't get confirmation in writing as I didn't think it was necessary.

Guess I might be kind of fked. Don't want to get the sack however it's a matter of principal. I was told the holiday had been ok'd so no reason to suspect anything different.
TBH it sounds like new manager doesn't like you. With nothing written down you haven't really got a leg to stand on. I've got my lot pretty well trained to fill out their forms - which I then sign - as soon as they can.

I'd just resign, go on holiday, then get a similar job at a different supermarket when I got back. I say resign, because it might have less future ramifications than being sacked for unauthorised attendance.

Next time get it in writing.

fatboy69

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McHaggis said:
fatboy69 said:
Yep. Tesco it is. Not the best employer tbh.
They are paying you but you have no contract or payslip each week/month?
That's right. No contract, no payslip. Nothing. Get paid every four weeks & that's it. Sweet FA.

Been onto HR this morning who advised me that it was down to the store manager to sort out the contract & they would not get involved! How helpful was that?

I competed the holiday 'requeswasa it was for confirmation & not a last minute request as per a notice in the staff room - i didn't think anything of it because the holiday had already been agreed by the team leader. I wasn't to know that she hadn't updated the holiday planner after she interviewed me & as it is looked away in the office, to which us plebs have no access, i couldn't check it.

I have alread asked that my staff file be checked when I go in this afternoon so I can only hope that the dates have been noted down.

If not I will go away as cannot afford to pay for a holiday & not use it & I will suffer the consequences when I get back.

I know I should have got confirmation in writing, which I didn't, so that's my fault.

You never know - he might have got laid over the weekend & be in a better mood today!!

Failing that I'll put it down to experience & move on. Life is too short to worry too much about stacking shelves at Tesco!!!


McHaggis

8,271 posts

25 months

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fatboy69 said:
Failing that I'll put it down to experience & move on. Life is too short to worry too much about stacking shelves at Tesco!!!
Right answer.

Tyre Smoke

9,252 posts

131 months

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McHaggis said:
fatboy69 said:
Failing that I'll put it down to experience & move on. Life is too short to worry too much about stacking shelves at Tesco!!!
Right answer.
Totally the right answer, can't believe it has got to two pages. The fact that you are so conscientious about this should give a message to the manager. Sadly I doubt he/she is switched on enough to notice.

Rude-boy

15,651 posts

103 months

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They have, by the sounds of it messed up on the paperwork there end and so, as suggested by others, from the newbie’s POV you are the one in the wrong.

Depending on how things are financially for you I would take my lead from there.

If I were to go on holiday I would certainly make sure before leaving that there was a clear explanation with approximate times and dates on which it was all dealt with, so far as you are aware.

If I were to go on holiday and were to return without a job I would seriously doubt that I had a solid, take it to a tribunal, case. That would not stop me investigating other methods and options I might chose to explore, so long as they were legal, to leave them and their company with as much st and hassle to deal with as possible. It’s not as though without a reference from them your CV is going to suffer greatly (I suspect you never get anything more than a dates of employment reference from that employer anyway).

One thing that lurks at the back of my head is the lack of them sending you a contract. I do not wish to elaborate as I may be well short of the mark and I can’t speak to anyone here about it today but there may be something in this.

McHaggis

8,271 posts

25 months

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Whatever happens, make a stick about the pay slip. Could cause you hassle later down the line and it's a very simple thing to do for them.

Alternatively, you could try this:
http://www.tescoplc.com/media/126222/code_of_busin...

And call the "protector line"... it could be seen as a "lack of respect", etc etc.
protector.line@uk.tesco.com
0800 032 0786

Or if you want the nuclear option, email the CEO and ask if he thinks that it is acceptable that you don't receive a payslip and you are being bullied out of your job...

fatboy69

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4,904 posts

57 months

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I'm off in a few minutes for my Monday shift so I'll see what happens.

Technically I'm not in the wrong as my holidays were agreed by my Team Leader. What I should have done, but didn't do, was get confirmation in writing although as I had a week off in June, agreed by the same Team Leader when I started, I didn't think that it would be a problem.

What is a problem, for Tesco, is their failure to supply me with a Contract of Employment & job offer detailing hours of work, salary, entitlements etc.

They should have provided this, I think, with 28 days of me commencing work for them. Not sure of the time limit as haven't checked it out properly yet some might be wrong on that point.

Anyway off now so update later when I get home.


Odie

3,702 posts

52 months

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I'd hand my notice in 2 weeks prior to the holiday and just have done with them.

Just put it down to experience and get everything in writing next time.

People who are like that arent worth working for.


bulldog5046

975 posts

48 months

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Well, it doesnt sound as though you need the job from your OP and if they are going to play pathetic company politics with you then i'd be inclined to do the same.

I hope you are already joining your family for the rest of your holiday now.

I wouldn't tell the manager your going, turn off your phone and look for a new job when you return.

Most importantly, have a great holiday smile

egor110

2,171 posts

73 months

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You say you've never had a payslip, how do you know your being paid for the correct hours, how do you know what deductions are being made for national insurance, pension,tax, union fee's etc?

DoodoolTala

722 posts

24 months

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Wow your store is ste! I work for the same company and I had booked my holiday before my emplyment and I never had any problem! I didn't even need a holiday form nor any confirmation regarding the holiday, I just gave them 1 week notice and off I went for a month furthermore the payslip and contract issue is even more worrying and unheard of. If you can, join Usdaw ASAP and I'm sure they can help.

McHaggis

8,271 posts

25 months

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Tesco? Getting it wrong with contracts and employment - surely not possible....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration...


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