My degree educated daughter finding it impossible

[mnk303]

Condi said:

Or maybe its the fault of the employers who wont consider people unless they have a degree?

One of the most valid points made here, it's some of you people here that set the standard and IMO a degree is not a licence for a job. Too many teachers, parents, kids, employers, and society feel no degree you are worthless, yet the economy is built by the majority without degrees and by those who like me attended night school for 7 years while working and feeding the family.

Bring back apprenticeships, bring back the poly and bring back on the job training .

[RevHappy]

A degree at uni wasn't just about the studying
Still with the added cost now I think it will become a stepping stone for only for those who can justify it or need to.

Working that shedule isn't allowing much time for anything else, working smart is far better than working hard.

[crazy about cars]

mnk303 said:

Bring back apprenticeships, bring back the poly and bring back on the job training .

There's plenty of apprenticeships out there but we find most graduates expect 25k+ starting salaries these days...

[RevHappy]

crazy about cars said:

There's plenty of apprenticeships out there but we find most graduates expect 25k+ starting salaries these days...

That's figure changes both ways depending on the job and the learning curve timeframe.

[oldbanger]

RevHappy said:

Working that shedule isn't allowing much time for anything else, working smart is far better than working hard.

I'd agree with this. A prospective graduate employer isn't going to care that much if she's worked a 20 hour week rather than a 60+ hour one especially if you are talking about a non-relevant role like bar work. So if she doesn't need the money, I'd be encouraging her to spend more time on job searching, networking, professional development/study and relevant voluntary work.

[crazy about cars]

RevHappy said:

That's figure changes both ways depending on the job and the learning curve timeframe.

That is true but I am genuinely interested to see apprenticeships (bar "The Apprentice") that offers over 25k salary.

[RevHappy]

crazy about cars said:

RevHappy said:

That's figure changes both ways depending on the job and the learning curve timeframe.

That is true but I am genuinely interested to see apprenticeships (bar "The Apprentice") that offers over 25k salary.

Investment banking......
And no I'm not in that field but bad press has increased starting numbers, which is over the odds for a "nothing" job.

[crazy about cars]

RevHappy said:

Investment banking......
And no I'm not in that field but bad press has increased starting numbers, which is over the odds for a "nothing" job.

Good point. However, if I am not mistaken it takes a lot to get into a good apprenticeship spot in investment banking. The competition is crazy. Do they even call it apprenticeship nowadays?

[mnk303]

crazy about cars said:

There's plenty of apprenticeships out there but we find most graduates expect 25k+ starting salaries these days...

Where , what industry, I could not research any, is 18k too much to expect starting salary? Maybe ?

[JakesterUK]

I've just spent the last 3 days interviewing applicants for junior substancemisuse worker positions, most of whom were psychology grads, what amazed me was the distance some of the applicants were willing to travel.

Bearing in mind these are 15k posts based in Suffolk we had applicants from Plymouth, Kent, Hull all willing to relocate!

One key thing that really stuck out was those applicants who were busy bar working opposed to those who were doing 'some' bar work but also had found voluntary posts with appropriate charities and organisations.

Every applicant that had a little field skills presented and interviewed far far better than those who'd only had pub/temp retail experience, might be worth advising to your daugther.

[RevHappy]

mnk303 said:

Where , what industry, I could not research any, is 18k too much to expect starting salary? Maybe ?

I think a lot will depends on transferable skills; still in the SE I don't think £18k is expecting too much.

[iphonedyou]

crazy about cars said:

Good point. However, if I am not mistaken it takes a lot to get into a good apprenticeship spot in investment banking. The competition is crazy. Do they even call it apprenticeship nowadays?

It's definitely not an apprenticeship. It's a graduate scheme. Most graduate schemes are £25k - £35k, with investment banking graduate schemes typically around £40 - £45k.

[mnk303]

Update for you all, she has had a few buyer internships M and S excellent and very kind towards her, the white company also, she finally was offered a job in sales support leading to an account trainee, in wine sales, not commision based fixed income, with lots of training courses. The company seem very fair and proactive in training. Bottom line IMO it's a sales position and I really doubt you need any degree for this, you need a good confident manner, good speech, excellent comms skills and a knowledge of the product you are selling.

I am sure her degree may come into use, but my point is for this position I don't think you need it. I felt at the end she was leaning towards buying , but she needed a language in the wine industry.

I personally feel sales people will always find work all businesses need sales staff and its the fastest way to make money if you are good.

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart most of you we're positive and supportive, I had secretly hoped they may of been some jobs on the forum but its hard out there and most of us have helped family or mates into what jobs we knew of.

Thank you Martin

Edited by mnk303 on Sunday 30th September 22:07

[Gargamel]

mnk303 said:

Update for you all, she has had a few buyer internships M and S excellent and very kind towards her, the white company also, she finally was offer a job in sales support leading to an account trainee, in wine sales, not commision based fixed income, with lots of training courses. The company seem very fair and proactive in training. Bottom line IMO it's a sales position and I really doubt you need any degree for this, you need a good confident manner, good speech, excellent comms skills and a knowledge of the product you are selling.

I am sure her degree may come into use, but my point is for this position I don't think you need it. I felt at the end she was leaning towards buying , but she needed a language in the wine industry.

I personally feel sales people will always find work all businesses need sales staff and its the fastest way to make money if you are good.

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart most of you we're positive and supportive, I had secretly hoped they may of been some jobs on the forum but its hard out there and most of us have helped family or mates into what jobs we knew of.

Thank you Martin

Martin

Yes, good to see a positive outcome, I am sure you knew she would find her way, give it a couple of years and if the markets recover and the chances are out there, the Degree status won't have lost its ability to mark you out over another similarly experienced candidate.

[RevHappy]

Good news.

Sales added to most job types equals more money if you're any good at it, plus you don't need to be "sales" person to be any good at it. Oddly her degree might come in handy with the sales side if not the field of work. Still a couple of years working will make finding the next job a lot easier.

Although I think doing a degree is more than just a degree I'd have to advise anyone new only doing one with a job flip at the end which is a shame.

Oh and if she gets into it, change to a commission element, if your making a company more money than somebody else they don't mind paying for for it. Win - Win.

[BlackVanDyke]

What part of the country is she in?

[mnk303]

BlackVanDyke said:

What part of the country is she in?

Near gatwick is where the job is , home is Horsham West Sussex

[aww999]

iphonedyou said:

It's definitely not an apprenticeship. It's a graduate scheme. Most graduate schemes are £25k - £35k, with investment banking graduate schemes typically around £40 - £45k.

I'm job hunting at the moment. Typical numbers I have seen are 18-23k for a grad scheme outside of London, a little more inside London, and IB is 35-40k. Ratio of applicants to jobs for investment banking is (I'm told) about 150:1 so their salaries should not be seen as typical! Competition for any of the blue-chip companies is intense though, and as evidenced on here, just getting ANYTHING is a major achievement right now.