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Hi chaps, I'm interested in tranfering from aerospace to oil & gas PM.
I'm a mid career PM professional with an OEM background and was wondering if there are any good technical resources available online to round off some edges. Had a google but it didn't really go beyond general news. Keeping this on the QT at the moment so don't want to say too much in a public forum!
I'm a mid career PM professional with an OEM background and was wondering if there are any good technical resources available online to round off some edges. Had a google but it didn't really go beyond general news. Keeping this on the QT at the moment so don't want to say too much in a public forum!
I'm going to buck the trend here, as I'm not a PM - I'm a BA. I work for a wholesale bank, mainly system migrations but other work on incremental changes and so on.
It's interesting to see that many people here don't seem to value Prince2 - my experience of it thus far has been that a P2 qualified PM isn't much use when the rest of the project aren't on it. I had considered it when I did think of going down the PM route but am working through the ISEB instead seeing as I've moved into the BA role.
Is there any other recommended PM reading or qualifications that would enhance me as a BA, thinking mainly around workstream lead type work?
It's interesting to see that many people here don't seem to value Prince2 - my experience of it thus far has been that a P2 qualified PM isn't much use when the rest of the project aren't on it. I had considered it when I did think of going down the PM route but am working through the ISEB instead seeing as I've moved into the BA role.
Is there any other recommended PM reading or qualifications that would enhance me as a BA, thinking mainly around workstream lead type work?
Just want to echo the sentiments of those who promote the need to know what it is you’re delivering. Being generic can work for small stuff but not the intricacies of full-scale migrations, new capabilities etc.
Also for PRINCE2 – well I use a combination of elements from this and MSP (Managing Successful Programmes) for governance and to ensure control/stability, yet I don't really have in-depth knowledge of either. Knowing at each point of ‘stuff happening’, where terms like gates/tranches/releases come in, is so important. I’ve also been in a recent seminar for Agile which I was sort of impressed with though haven’t yet utilised.
Bottom line: think of speed limits – does blindly following an arbitrary rule make you a good driver?
Also for PRINCE2 – well I use a combination of elements from this and MSP (Managing Successful Programmes) for governance and to ensure control/stability, yet I don't really have in-depth knowledge of either. Knowing at each point of ‘stuff happening’, where terms like gates/tranches/releases come in, is so important. I’ve also been in a recent seminar for Agile which I was sort of impressed with though haven’t yet utilised.
Bottom line: think of speed limits – does blindly following an arbitrary rule make you a good driver?
Edited by TangerinePool on Monday 17th February 14:45
Lone Wolf said:
Hi chaps, I'm interested in tranfering from aerospace to oil & gas PM.
I'm a mid career PM professional with an OEM background and was wondering if there are any good technical resources available online to round off some edges. Had a google but it didn't really go beyond general news. Keeping this on the QT at the moment so don't want to say too much in a public forum!
Technical resources in terms of PM work or technical resources in terms of oil & gas?I'm a mid career PM professional with an OEM background and was wondering if there are any good technical resources available online to round off some edges. Had a google but it didn't really go beyond general news. Keeping this on the QT at the moment so don't want to say too much in a public forum!
In O&G the general rule is you get a technical background in terms engineering/construction side of the business then you get the PM exposure & experience. It's very unusual for someone to come in with PM experience & no O&G industry experience.
Figured rather than start a new topic I'd drag this one back up.
Basically, I'm treading a new path. Background is Engineering (Marine, with a bit of O&G and Rail contracting experience). Started my own business in unrelated sector, sold bits of it off and wound down the rest and moved across the pond. Fair bit of experience to fall back on but I'd like to plug a few holes in my CV while I've got plenty of free time. I'm still not entirely certain what I want to be when I grow up, but I seem to have gravitated towards PM, not sure why but it appeals, and it seems to offer a nice branch between the experience I've got and the direction I'd like to take a little later.
I'm acutely aware of the fact that bits of paper don't make a good manager, but I'd like to be armed to the teeth before I start putting my CV out there again.
So - I'm just about finished with a PRINCE2 course (only really bothered with that I'd done foundation previously and I got it the course for next to nothing), and PMP is next on the hit list as that's far more relevant to the industries I've worked in.
Is anyone Six Sigma certified? I'm curious as to whether it's one worth pursuing, PMP accreditation seems ultimately more useful for me but I'm seeing an awful lot of people asking for 6 Sigma and PMP in PM job roles it in the US. I'd like to move back towards engineering industry so I figure if nothing else it's going to give me an insight into the methodology, some new buzz-words to use and an easier time of getting a foot in the door.
Basically, I'm treading a new path. Background is Engineering (Marine, with a bit of O&G and Rail contracting experience). Started my own business in unrelated sector, sold bits of it off and wound down the rest and moved across the pond. Fair bit of experience to fall back on but I'd like to plug a few holes in my CV while I've got plenty of free time. I'm still not entirely certain what I want to be when I grow up, but I seem to have gravitated towards PM, not sure why but it appeals, and it seems to offer a nice branch between the experience I've got and the direction I'd like to take a little later.
I'm acutely aware of the fact that bits of paper don't make a good manager, but I'd like to be armed to the teeth before I start putting my CV out there again.
So - I'm just about finished with a PRINCE2 course (only really bothered with that I'd done foundation previously and I got it the course for next to nothing), and PMP is next on the hit list as that's far more relevant to the industries I've worked in.
Is anyone Six Sigma certified? I'm curious as to whether it's one worth pursuing, PMP accreditation seems ultimately more useful for me but I'm seeing an awful lot of people asking for 6 Sigma and PMP in PM job roles it in the US. I'd like to move back towards engineering industry so I figure if nothing else it's going to give me an insight into the methodology, some new buzz-words to use and an easier time of getting a foot in the door.
Edited by Stu R on Monday 21st April 05:54
Stu R said:
Figured rather than start a new topic I'd drag this one back up.
Basically, I'm treading a new path. Background is Engineering (Marine, with a bit of O&G and Rail contracting experience). Started my own business in unrelated sector, sold bits of it off and wound down the rest and moved across the pond. Fair bit of experience to fall back on but I'd like to plug a few holes in my CV while I've got plenty of free time. I'm still not entirely certain what I want to be when I grow up, but I seem to have gravitated towards PM, not sure why but it appeals, and it seems to offer a nice branch between the experience I've got and the direction I'd like to take a little later.
I'm acutely aware of the fact that bits of paper don't make a good manager, but I'd like to be armed to the teeth before I start putting my CV out there again.
So - I'm just about finished with a PRINCE2 course (only really bothered with that I'd done foundation previously and I got it the course for next to nothing), and PMP is next on the hit list as that's far more relevant to the industries I've worked in.
Is anyone Six Sigma certified? I'm curious as to whether it's one worth pursuing, PMP accreditation seems ultimately more useful for me but I'm seeing an awful lot of people asking for 6 Sigma and PMP in PM job roles it in the US. I'd like to move back towards engineering industry so I figure if nothing else it's going to give me an insight into the methodology, some new buzz-words to use and an easier time of getting a foot in the door.
I'm interested in this too. I will be making a similar move in the next 18 months.Basically, I'm treading a new path. Background is Engineering (Marine, with a bit of O&G and Rail contracting experience). Started my own business in unrelated sector, sold bits of it off and wound down the rest and moved across the pond. Fair bit of experience to fall back on but I'd like to plug a few holes in my CV while I've got plenty of free time. I'm still not entirely certain what I want to be when I grow up, but I seem to have gravitated towards PM, not sure why but it appeals, and it seems to offer a nice branch between the experience I've got and the direction I'd like to take a little later.
I'm acutely aware of the fact that bits of paper don't make a good manager, but I'd like to be armed to the teeth before I start putting my CV out there again.
So - I'm just about finished with a PRINCE2 course (only really bothered with that I'd done foundation previously and I got it the course for next to nothing), and PMP is next on the hit list as that's far more relevant to the industries I've worked in.
Is anyone Six Sigma certified? I'm curious as to whether it's one worth pursuing, PMP accreditation seems ultimately more useful for me but I'm seeing an awful lot of people asking for 6 Sigma and PMP in PM job roles it in the US. I'd like to move back towards engineering industry so I figure if nothing else it's going to give me an insight into the methodology, some new buzz-words to use and an easier time of getting a foot in the door.
Edited by Stu R on Monday 21st April 05:54
stevenjhepburn said:
Stu R said:
Figured rather than start a new topic I'd drag this one back up.
Basically, I'm treading a new path. Background is Engineering (Marine, with a bit of O&G and Rail contracting experience). Started my own business in unrelated sector, sold bits of it off and wound down the rest and moved across the pond. Fair bit of experience to fall back on but I'd like to plug a few holes in my CV while I've got plenty of free time. I'm still not entirely certain what I want to be when I grow up, but I seem to have gravitated towards PM, not sure why but it appeals, and it seems to offer a nice branch between the experience I've got and the direction I'd like to take a little later.
I'm acutely aware of the fact that bits of paper don't make a good manager, but I'd like to be armed to the teeth before I start putting my CV out there again.
So - I'm just about finished with a PRINCE2 course (only really bothered with that I'd done foundation previously and I got it the course for next to nothing), and PMP is next on the hit list as that's far more relevant to the industries I've worked in.
Is anyone Six Sigma certified? I'm curious as to whether it's one worth pursuing, PMP accreditation seems ultimately more useful for me but I'm seeing an awful lot of people asking for 6 Sigma and PMP in PM job roles it in the US. I'd like to move back towards engineering industry so I figure if nothing else it's going to give me an insight into the methodology, some new buzz-words to use and an easier time of getting a foot in the door.
I'm interested in this too. I will be making a similar move in the next 18 months.Basically, I'm treading a new path. Background is Engineering (Marine, with a bit of O&G and Rail contracting experience). Started my own business in unrelated sector, sold bits of it off and wound down the rest and moved across the pond. Fair bit of experience to fall back on but I'd like to plug a few holes in my CV while I've got plenty of free time. I'm still not entirely certain what I want to be when I grow up, but I seem to have gravitated towards PM, not sure why but it appeals, and it seems to offer a nice branch between the experience I've got and the direction I'd like to take a little later.
I'm acutely aware of the fact that bits of paper don't make a good manager, but I'd like to be armed to the teeth before I start putting my CV out there again.
So - I'm just about finished with a PRINCE2 course (only really bothered with that I'd done foundation previously and I got it the course for next to nothing), and PMP is next on the hit list as that's far more relevant to the industries I've worked in.
Is anyone Six Sigma certified? I'm curious as to whether it's one worth pursuing, PMP accreditation seems ultimately more useful for me but I'm seeing an awful lot of people asking for 6 Sigma and PMP in PM job roles it in the US. I'd like to move back towards engineering industry so I figure if nothing else it's going to give me an insight into the methodology, some new buzz-words to use and an easier time of getting a foot in the door.
Edited by Stu R on Monday 21st April 05:54
6 Sigma was originally used by big chip manufacturing companies making millions of parts, and IMO that's where it should stay. It's been bastardised into IT and various other industries where the DMAIC process works, but at the end of the day it's a toolset.
Does that help?
Stu R said:
It does. Guessing by bastardised you're referring to Lean 6S et al?
In your field I would expect PMP to be of the greatest use, and P2 to be a door opener (and very similar to PMP).
If you've got some time, then 6 Sigma wont do you any harm and you may find some aspects (fishbone / cause & effect diagram) useful - but I wouldn't say it was crucial.
Podie said:
Stu R said:
It does. Guessing by bastardised you're referring to Lean 6S et al?
In your field I would expect PMP to be of the greatest use, and P2 to be a door opener (and very similar to PMP).
If you've got some time, then 6 Sigma wont do you any harm and you may find some aspects (fishbone / cause & effect diagram) useful - but I wouldn't say it was crucial.
I figured if I'm not working I might as well be learning (otherwise stuff like DIY happens) and I've got at least another month of waiting before I can take on a job.
PMP I see a lot of relevance to past roles and 'get'. It's a given I'll do it. P2 just has me thinking 'council project red-tape' throughout, though there's a few useful bits I've gleaned from it. I can see why everyone says sticking to it rigidly is a sure fire way to fail.
I'll see how I feel after doing the Practitioner and PMP certs, if I've nothing better to do I suppose 6Sigma will pad the CV out if nothing else.
sampsan said:
Engineering construction here, mainly Power related.... power plants, oil & gas, EFW, Gas storage etc.
Done both APMP and PMI PMP.
PMI PMP for me due to global coverage,
PM training best education have ever done and very employable but not without experience as well.
I work in engineering for a power provider. They're sending me on the APM IC course next month. Done both APMP and PMI PMP.
PMI PMP for me due to global coverage,
PM training best education have ever done and very employable but not without experience as well.
How well regarded is this and what additional training would you recommend? I.e. what is the jump from there to APM P?
Has anyone left the PM world and moved on to something else? I'm absolutely not looking to leave my world in the immediate future (in fact, I have just been promoted), but I am considering what I do in the longer term - perhaps in 2-3 years time.
Are there any typical crossover jobs? I'm starting to explore this within my industry, but would be keen to hear what others may have done.
Are there any typical crossover jobs? I'm starting to explore this within my industry, but would be keen to hear what others may have done.
Pulse said:
Has anyone left the PM world and moved on to something else? I'm absolutely not looking to leave my world in the immediate future (in fact, I have just been promoted), but I am considering what I do in the longer term - perhaps in 2-3 years time.
Are there any typical crossover jobs? I'm starting to explore this within my industry, but would be keen to hear what others may have done.
Can I ask what you're doing? I noticed you're also in the Financial Industry.Are there any typical crossover jobs? I'm starting to explore this within my industry, but would be keen to hear what others may have done.
Are you wanting to move into an Advisory role?
Mr Trophy said:
Can I ask what you're doing? I noticed you're also in the Financial Industry.
Are you wanting to move into an Advisory role?
Nope, not into advisory... I'm actually not entirely sure yet, but am looking at my 2 year 'plan' and what I'd like to do from here.Are you wanting to move into an Advisory role?
Although I'm a PM in financial services, I'm working on something completely non-financial related.
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