Why we hate Recruitment Agencies
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stevenjhepburn said:
lawtoni said:
You are 100% incorrect in these assumptions.
Tell us, if you can, why someone who is looking for a job should approach your agency.lawtoni said:
Because having fully understood what makes them tick, I may be able to find them a great job with a great salary with job prospects that match their aspirations
So nothing different to any of the other circa 100,000 people in the industry?Right now it sounds like your USP is that you have jobs. Which isn't much of a USP. How do you differentiate yourself from the "bad eggs"?
I suprised that a website that allows companies and contractors to interact directly hasn't sprung up. Fixed fee for adverts and cut the agents out of the loop.
Like others I have had plenty of bad experiences but there are three or four agents that I have always kept in touch with and have a good long term working relationships with, in both getting roles and taking candidates.
Like others I have had plenty of bad experiences but there are three or four agents that I have always kept in touch with and have a good long term working relationships with, in both getting roles and taking candidates.
stevenjhepburn said:
lawtoni said:
Because having fully understood what makes them tick, I may be able to find them a great job with a great salary with job prospects that match their aspirations
So nothing different to any of the other circa 100,000 people in the industry?Right now it sounds like your USP is that you have jobs. Which isn't much of a USP. How do you differentiate yourself from the "bad eggs"?
Gosh what makes you think I have time or inclination to beg you to love me?!
My USP is the quality of service I provide. My clients and the candidates I place and deal with tell me they are delighted. That's good enough for me.
Tonsko said:
I do get a little irritated by them when I get an email from them, telling me about a job (or I find it on jobserve etc.), and I contact them about it to talk to them. They then send my CV forward, and I get an interview.
I then get no feedback. Nothing. Clearly, I don't get the job, but a quick email (a template one even) would be nice.
I understand that they don't want to waste time on folk who haven't made them any money and just sucked up their time, but it does rankle.
AgreedI then get no feedback. Nothing. Clearly, I don't get the job, but a quick email (a template one even) would be nice.
I understand that they don't want to waste time on folk who haven't made them any money and just sucked up their time, but it does rankle.
A bit of common courtesy would not go amiss.
Recruitment agents don't care about candidates they are just looking for their next bonus/commission. Simple.
And yes they ask which other jobs or agencies have u applied for ? Why don't u f ing help me find a job rather than asking nosey questions
lawtoni said:
Do you think all recruiters deliver that?
Jobs? I'd certainly hope so.lawtoni said:
My clients and the candidates I place and deal with tell me they are delighted. That's good enough for me.
In that case I hope your sales funnel continues to be filled with mugs who allow you to squeeze them for profit any which way you can.I have to be honest I'm currently looking for work - and my experience of agencies isn't the best tbh. On the whole they are ok, but no more than that. The sad thing is that many roles are not available direct with a given company but only via an agency who themselves seem to word search CVs and and (as has been mentioned earlier) then just send off the top 5 "suitable matches" and for this they get paid a s
t-load of money. I've applied for a position before where my CV may as well have been the job-spec advertised but was still told "sorry, you're not suitable", seriously? WTF are you on about, according to the spec provided my skill-set is a 100% match but I'm not suitable? Lazy fkers
t-load of money. I've applied for a position before where my CV may as well have been the job-spec advertised but was still told "sorry, you're not suitable", seriously? WTF are you on about, according to the spec provided my skill-set is a 100% match but I'm not suitable? Lazy fkerslawtoni said:
stevenjhepburn said:
lawtoni said:
Because having fully understood what makes them tick, I may be able to find them a great job with a great salary with job prospects that match their aspirations
So nothing different to any of the other circa 100,000 people in the industry?Right now it sounds like your USP is that you have jobs. Which isn't much of a USP. How do you differentiate yourself from the "bad eggs"?
Gosh what makes you think I have time or inclination to beg you to love me?!
My USP is the quality of service I provide. My clients and the candidates I place and deal with tell me they are delighted. That's good enough for me.
Why have you started a thread effectively saying "We're not all bad and I'm one of the good ones!" and then argued with everyone who has had a bad experience with recruitment agencies?
I don't care either way as agencies are irrelevant to me but the thread is just mildly irritating.
lawtoni said:
alock said:
lawtoni said:
Truth:
They are there to fill their client's jobs. In general (sub £70-100k jobs) the agency gets the vacancy, then looks for the candidates. NOT agency gets lots of random candidates, then looks for jobs to place them in.
In my experience they are not very good at this either! They just seem to take a job spec from a client, rip the key words out of it and search for them in a database of CVs. The top five search results get sent to the client.They are there to fill their client's jobs. In general (sub £70-100k jobs) the agency gets the vacancy, then looks for the candidates. NOT agency gets lots of random candidates, then looks for jobs to place them in.
I've yet to see an agency which couldn't be replaced by a computer program.
It's similar to other industries such as buying a car. If you were thinking of buying a Merc, would you review a few Merc dealers, settle on the one you liked best and then trust him to find the best vehicle for you? He is after all an expert in this field and offers far more than a simple database search. You are a client with money and he is matching you to the best product. Alternatively you can search for yourself in public databases of cars for sale, ask for the opinion of other people on a car forum (who have no vested interest in any sale) and then negotiate directly with the seller.
LinkedIn is a first generation product. Think of it as the equivalent to a search engine in the 90's. Second generation will be better and third generate will make recruitment agencies redundant by 2025
Ooooh good timing on this thread as i was going to create a new one to ask: What would be an acceptable cut for a recruitment agent to take?
To give you some history. I started my current IT position back in Dec2011, worked hard and well and managed to have a string of contract renewals up to the present day (i was even able to move position within the company and increase the day rate ceiling).
When i first started i wasn't too happy with the rate, but needed the role. Moving on, i've had a few increases with the day rate, but it always seems that the agent was lying to me about taking a tiny slice (the increases were agreed by the paying company).
I've recently learnt that they are billing the company for 20% more than what they are paying me, and i feel that this is far too much. I accept that they need to make a profit, but given my day rate, i'm paying for the booze at the xmas party!
Would other recruitment folks on here find that taking only 10% of the day rate acceptable?
Or would you tell me to go find another role?
To give you some history. I started my current IT position back in Dec2011, worked hard and well and managed to have a string of contract renewals up to the present day (i was even able to move position within the company and increase the day rate ceiling).
When i first started i wasn't too happy with the rate, but needed the role. Moving on, i've had a few increases with the day rate, but it always seems that the agent was lying to me about taking a tiny slice (the increases were agreed by the paying company).
I've recently learnt that they are billing the company for 20% more than what they are paying me, and i feel that this is far too much. I accept that they need to make a profit, but given my day rate, i'm paying for the booze at the xmas party!
Would other recruitment folks on here find that taking only 10% of the day rate acceptable?
Or would you tell me to go find another role?
Disastrous said:
lawtoni said:
stevenjhepburn said:
lawtoni said:
Because having fully understood what makes them tick, I may be able to find them a great job with a great salary with job prospects that match their aspirations
So nothing different to any of the other circa 100,000 people in the industry?Right now it sounds like your USP is that you have jobs. Which isn't much of a USP. How do you differentiate yourself from the "bad eggs"?
Gosh what makes you think I have time or inclination to beg you to love me?!
My USP is the quality of service I provide. My clients and the candidates I place and deal with tell me they are delighted. That's good enough for me.
Why have you started a thread effectively saying "We're not all bad and I'm one of the good ones!" and then argued with everyone who has had a bad experience with recruitment agencies?
I don't care either way as agencies are irrelevant to me but the thread is just mildly irritating.
Who else have I 'argued' with?
If you are irritated by the thread, why don't you leave it?
"...offers a highly focused and comprehensive service across all industry sectors and at all levels of seniority within the multi-lingual market. We offer services in the permanent, contract and temporary job market."
How can your service be highly focused and yet cover all levels, sectors and role types?
How can your service be highly focused and yet cover all levels, sectors and role types?
_Deano said:
Would other recruitment folks on here find that taking only 10% of the day rate acceptable?
Or would you tell me to go find another role?
I don't think 20% is uncommon. In better markets (y2k) I negotiated my agent down to 7%, that's the lowest I've seen. It was a case of 100% of nothing or 7% of my rate. When I've been in through consultancies sometimes my rate has been + 100% Or would you tell me to go find another role?
Nick Grant said:
"...offers a highly focused and comprehensive service across all industry sectors and at all levels of seniority within the multi-lingual market. We offer services in the permanent, contract and temporary job market."
How can your service be highly focused and yet cover all levels, sectors and role types?
You may very well be spot on but given that I know nothing of the company you refer to (stevenjhepburn please take note) i couldn't I make any comment about it?How can your service be highly focused and yet cover all levels, sectors and role types?
Nick Grant said:
There's too many Paul Lawtons in recruitment on LinkedIn Have you used their service before making these assumptions?
Phone them up and try them, they are excellent. But don't slag stuff off without any knowledge of them!
lawtoni said:
Again! you know nothing about my old company (I left there 6 months ago)
Have you used their service before making these assumptions?
Phone them up and try them, they are excellent. But don't slag stuff off without any knowledge of them!
Not sure if serious. How do you judge people? By what is written on thier CV. Same way I'm making my judgement. Have you used their service before making these assumptions?
Phone them up and try them, they are excellent. But don't slag stuff off without any knowledge of them!
Nick Grant said:
Not sure if serious. How do you judge people? By what is written on thier CV. Same way I'm making my judgement.
I make my judgement by meeting people, by talking to them and gaining a full understanding about who they are and what they are looking for. You not so muchThere are agencies that just skim read CVs and send them on but not many
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