Got an offer for a job. Recruitment guy seems a little pushy
Discussion
Otispunkmeyer said:
I have just had a friend of mine say to me that I should decline the offer through the agency and then deal directly with the company and if alls well, take the job that way. But I am not a douche bag so I won't be doing that.
As an employer myself I have to say you should definitely not do that. The potential employer would still be liable for the RA's commission - it would be in their Ts&Cs. So you'd achieve nothing and potentially create an impression of being a bit dishonest.
Tampon said:
inform company hired by RA that you are declining their offer on the basis you had 2 offers on the table and the RA soured the deal for them by pushing to much and making demands, changing the deal etc , real shame, you would loved to have worked for them etc etc hope to have contact with the company in the future.
Don't do that either. Playing silly games is never worthwhile. Don't get dragged down to their level. Piersman2 said:
My cynical head says that this change of attitude on their part is to give them a chance to do as you're doing, re-assess other options! 
Again, speaking as an employer, once you've made an offer that's the guy you want. I would not be pissing around looking at others. You should be telling the RA that you are clearly interested in the job, but that the package is disappointing and you need some time to consider your position (give him a defined date by which you will make your decision). Leave it at that, give them no more detail and let them sweat. wibblebrain said:
Again, speaking as an employer, once you've made an offer that's the guy you want. I would not be pissing around looking at others. You should be telling the RA that you are clearly interested in the job, but that the package is disappointing and you need some time to consider your position (give him a defined date by which you will make your decision). Leave it at that, give them no more detail and let them sweat.
Also speaking as an employer I'd be looking at others on the expectation that the offer might not be accepted. Quite often there are other candidates who you'd offer to, they just aren't the favourite, you don't want to hang around long and discover they have gone as well.
So little update to close this out
Went to interviews at B and C
They went very well. At C I was there 2 hours mostly answering technical questions about engines! I actually enjoyed it strangely.
I had an offer on the table from A, at 31k + some pension, bonus, private health and 25+8 holidays. B got back to me on Thursday afternoon with a much lower offer, but the job is much lower risk (big company, ridiculous level of H&S, flexible working because its full of parents who like to have security of job). To be honest it looks like a lovely place to work, if you're 40 with 2 kids. I don't need that in my life just yet.
C had said in the interview that they had a few other candidates to go through and that they'd be holding second round interviews with the MD over a week later as he was away. C was pretty good, motorsports based, perhaps a much narrower track to follow mind, but exciting all the same. But because of that I didn't think they'd be able to move fast enough as I really had to make a decision by this monday.
Anyway I got a surprise call on friday and C had bypassed all the second interviews with the MD etc and offered a good package. Better than A.
It was a really difficult decision to make, I hated it! But on balance, I stuck with A (the offer from C even illicited a higher offer from A to sweeten the deal) as I think I would prefer to be located further north than south and additionally, my OH will have much better career opportunity if we do that. We will be better off together this way, rather then just me being better off.
So hopefully I have ended up at the best choice. I got a little more money out of them as well and the work promises great variety and challenge. Wish me luck!
I will say though, bit of a trick by the RA for C (C don't normally use RAs , but they were in a bind). The RA had knowledge of an Employee who left A in december and urged me to contact him through LinkedIn because he might have some, lets say "alternative", views on working for A. Now I don't have LinkedIn premium so couldn't get in contact anyway and I am glad I didn't. I mentioned this to the RA who deals with A (who is long time friend of the new manager at A) and the manager got in contact to explain why said Employee might have cause to bad mouth A. I have no reason to disbelieve him, he's been very genuine so far, and lets just say said employee had gotten very comfortable and wasn't pulling his weight under the new management. I think he left for new pastures before they could let him go.
So thanks for the help and advice all ! Much appreciated.
Went to interviews at B and C
They went very well. At C I was there 2 hours mostly answering technical questions about engines! I actually enjoyed it strangely.
I had an offer on the table from A, at 31k + some pension, bonus, private health and 25+8 holidays. B got back to me on Thursday afternoon with a much lower offer, but the job is much lower risk (big company, ridiculous level of H&S, flexible working because its full of parents who like to have security of job). To be honest it looks like a lovely place to work, if you're 40 with 2 kids. I don't need that in my life just yet.
C had said in the interview that they had a few other candidates to go through and that they'd be holding second round interviews with the MD over a week later as he was away. C was pretty good, motorsports based, perhaps a much narrower track to follow mind, but exciting all the same. But because of that I didn't think they'd be able to move fast enough as I really had to make a decision by this monday.
Anyway I got a surprise call on friday and C had bypassed all the second interviews with the MD etc and offered a good package. Better than A.
It was a really difficult decision to make, I hated it! But on balance, I stuck with A (the offer from C even illicited a higher offer from A to sweeten the deal) as I think I would prefer to be located further north than south and additionally, my OH will have much better career opportunity if we do that. We will be better off together this way, rather then just me being better off.
So hopefully I have ended up at the best choice. I got a little more money out of them as well and the work promises great variety and challenge. Wish me luck!
I will say though, bit of a trick by the RA for C (C don't normally use RAs , but they were in a bind). The RA had knowledge of an Employee who left A in december and urged me to contact him through LinkedIn because he might have some, lets say "alternative", views on working for A. Now I don't have LinkedIn premium so couldn't get in contact anyway and I am glad I didn't. I mentioned this to the RA who deals with A (who is long time friend of the new manager at A) and the manager got in contact to explain why said Employee might have cause to bad mouth A. I have no reason to disbelieve him, he's been very genuine so far, and lets just say said employee had gotten very comfortable and wasn't pulling his weight under the new management. I think he left for new pastures before they could let him go.
So thanks for the help and advice all ! Much appreciated.
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