Just a little angry today.
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berlintaxi said:
So self employed guy tries to generate extra income through taking on work you ain't interested in and he's wrong, sounds like you want to have your cake and eat his as well
It's not unknown for people representing the client to make such work look unattractive and then hoover it up. There is a fine line, if they are asking if it's OK to pick up the work then that's one thing. If they are just doing it without asking permission then they are well out of order.berlintaxi said:
as an aside how do you give a formal warning to someone who doesn't work for you?
"Do it again and your contract will be terminated." While not the same as an official final warning for a perm it could be considered a final warning.Re: the original post, perhaps they are wanting units being pushed into test to try and meet TRT obligations or find units that can be repaired with the parts that are in stock?
Or, there is some internal politics between engineering / test / MRO line (probably more likely)...What used to happen at a certain aerospace company is that all the departments would 'own' a certain proportion of the contractual TRT, so if incoming inspection have 1 day to DVI and write an incoming findings then push the unit to the next department, it then becomes the next department's problem.
I'd be interested to know where you are working, PitPony. I am in that line of work too, currently contracting to MOD. PM?
Or, there is some internal politics between engineering / test / MRO line (probably more likely)...What used to happen at a certain aerospace company is that all the departments would 'own' a certain proportion of the contractual TRT, so if incoming inspection have 1 day to DVI and write an incoming findings then push the unit to the next department, it then becomes the next department's problem.
I'd be interested to know where you are working, PitPony. I am in that line of work too, currently contracting to MOD. PM?
More update time. So 3 months and a week into this 6 month contract and today's criticism was surreal. Rude, patronising, and pointless. I'm not perfect, but quite frankly she's completely laughable. All I keep thinking is, thank f
k I'm a contractor, and that in the unlikely event that my contract is extended, I'll be making sure I have something somewhere else to go to. If I'd taken a permanent job and ended up working for her, I'd be very pissed off.
k I'm a contractor, and that in the unlikely event that my contract is extended, I'll be making sure I have something somewhere else to go to. If I'd taken a permanent job and ended up working for her, I'd be very pissed off. I am an ex-contractor. Without meaning to teach you to suck eggs it sounds like you are treating this contract as a job. Your responsibility is to worry about your business and the income of the business. I always had other contracts on the go (with weekends and evenings used for paid advice, weeks blocked out to work elsewhere).
I even had a new manager come to me saying he's been rang about my consultancy company (he worked for a company I had contracted for previously) as I was pitching to work on another contract and I can't do that and so on. He was reminded that I do not work for them, and that the contract end date was in a week's time. This resulted in an extended contract at a much better rate!
You should step back and worry about your company, not about someone else's who from the sounds of it are not great at running their business. As a contractor this isn't your concern beyond the relationship between your company and their company.
I even had a new manager come to me saying he's been rang about my consultancy company (he worked for a company I had contracted for previously) as I was pitching to work on another contract and I can't do that and so on. He was reminded that I do not work for them, and that the contract end date was in a week's time. This resulted in an extended contract at a much better rate!
You should step back and worry about your company, not about someone else's who from the sounds of it are not great at running their business. As a contractor this isn't your concern beyond the relationship between your company and their company.
So following what can only be described as "the worst motivational daily stand up meeting" Ever, where she attempted to pour her st over something that I'd done that in her opinion should have looked differently, in front of the whole team of 8 people, I have taken some action.
1) I went to see the bloke in HR whose job it is to "manage" over 250 contract engineers on 3 UK sites, explaining that I wasn't very happy to be treated like that. And where I also named the other contractors who I've witnessed being on the end of her st, and it's gone somewhat higher in the HR bit of the organisation.
2) I had her boss, come and explain what 'pressure' she's under and how they desperately need me to stay.
3) I had a half hearted apology, from her in which she suggested that whilst I was very bright, I lack common sense.
4) I've had 1 week of sweetness and like, and 2 days of reverting to type.
But more importantly
5) had an Interview and Got offered a contract role somewhat closer to home, although security vetting will take 4 to 8 weeks (unless I have some bones hidden in a cupboard), which takes me nicely to the end of this contract in erm 8 weeks time. Have yet to see the actual contract, although I have the initial security questionnaire to fill in, so best not count the chicken in the basket just yet.
When I say "closer" I mean 100 instead of 200 miles.
t over something that I'd done that in her opinion should have looked differently, in front of the whole team of 8 people, I have taken some action. 1) I went to see the bloke in HR whose job it is to "manage" over 250 contract engineers on 3 UK sites, explaining that I wasn't very happy to be treated like that. And where I also named the other contractors who I've witnessed being on the end of her s
t, and it's gone somewhat higher in the HR bit of the organisation. 2) I had her boss, come and explain what 'pressure' she's under and how they desperately need me to stay.
3) I had a half hearted apology, from her in which she suggested that whilst I was very bright, I lack common sense.
4) I've had 1 week of sweetness and like, and 2 days of reverting to type.
But more importantly
5) had an Interview and Got offered a contract role somewhat closer to home, although security vetting will take 4 to 8 weeks (unless I have some bones hidden in a cupboard), which takes me nicely to the end of this contract in erm 8 weeks time. Have yet to see the actual contract, although I have the initial security questionnaire to fill in, so best not count the chicken in the basket just yet.
When I say "closer" I mean 100 instead of 200 miles.
Security clearance is erm in progress, 3 to 4 weeks estimate from now, which takes me to mid November when this contract finishes.
They have asked if I'll stay and do 3 more months, and whilst I said yes, that is only to protect my income if security clearance takes longer.
The hiring manager is still very rude, and impatient, but instead of getting angry, I smile, because I'm laughing inside.
From a business point of view I can hold my head up high, and show that I came in and turned the arrears (some with 200 plus day turnaround) into averaging 15 day turnarounds. One new bullet point on the CV. Objective completed.
They have asked if I'll stay and do 3 more months, and whilst I said yes, that is only to protect my income if security clearance takes longer.
The hiring manager is still very rude, and impatient, but instead of getting angry, I smile, because I'm laughing inside.
From a business point of view I can hold my head up high, and show that I came in and turned the arrears (some with 200 plus day turnaround) into averaging 15 day turnarounds. One new bullet point on the CV. Objective completed.
skahigh said:
No not really, IR35 would deem that to be a situation of control.
A contractor is there to meet the clients needs in a suitable way, not to do everything the client says and not necessarily the way the client wants.
It's a big like employing a builder to build you a wall and then telling him off for using the wrong type of trowel.
That said, in practice professionalism dictates that 'suitable' would be discussed and agreed between you and the client.
i think that iswhere the IR35 issues comes up A contractor is there to meet the clients needs in a suitable way, not to do everything the client says and not necessarily the way the client wants.
It's a big like employing a builder to build you a wall and then telling him off for using the wrong type of trowel.
That said, in practice professionalism dictates that 'suitable' would be discussed and agreed between you and the client.
truely self employed / contractor - the customer says " fix this " and as along as you fix it in a safe and effective way bearing in mind any legal or regulatory stuff and any stipulation on say fit anf finsh there should be no come back ... once they start dictating that you only use blue screwdrivers on a wednesday etc ...
1 week left of contract.
Still waiting for Security Clearance for New Client.
3 month contract "in the post" for extension with old client not seen or signed but on it's way apparently.
One week off planned anyway to Decorate.
So rather than be "money grabbing" and go back for a couple of weeks, I'm going to tell them this is my last week, (and when the decorating is finished I'll do some welding on the MX5 whilst I wait for a start date)
To be honest I just need a stress free break.
Just got to work out the most professional words to say "Thank You and Goodbye"
Still waiting for Security Clearance for New Client.
3 month contract "in the post" for extension with old client not seen or signed but on it's way apparently.
One week off planned anyway to Decorate.
So rather than be "money grabbing" and go back for a couple of weeks, I'm going to tell them this is my last week, (and when the decorating is finished I'll do some welding on the MX5 whilst I wait for a start date)
To be honest I just need a stress free break.
Just got to work out the most professional words to say "Thank You and Goodbye"
So. Finished on Friday. Hiring manager could barely talk to me, by the last day. I'm going to get a mate to request a reference to see how vindictive she might be.
Have been decorating all week, and security clearance has now come through for next contract. Just discussing start dates. 1st or 8th December. Should be able to get the wall paper up by then.
Have been decorating all week, and security clearance has now come through for next contract. Just discussing start dates. 1st or 8th December. Should be able to get the wall paper up by then.
Pit Pony said:
So. Finished on Friday. Hiring manager could barely talk to me, by the last day. I'm going to get a mate to request a reference to see how vindictive she might be.
Have been decorating all week, and security clearance has now come through for next contract. Just discussing start dates. 1st or 8th December. Should be able to get the wall paper up by then.
Happy to request a reference for you, contact me on linked in Have been decorating all week, and security clearance has now come through for next contract. Just discussing start dates. 1st or 8th December. Should be able to get the wall paper up by then.
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