Employers taking the ****.....
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Blown2CV said:
Does seem harsh to tell them they don't feel comfortable with his knowledge when it's quite clearly an entry level job. What job was it again?
Trainee insurance clerk.I get the feeling they wanted them up and running after five days (between 10am & 4pm) training. Bearing in mind he'd never really come across insurance himself before and it's a trainee position.
surveyor said:
Blown2CV said:
Does seem harsh to tell them they don't feel comfortable with his knowledge when it's quite clearly an entry level job. What job was it again?
Trainee insurance clerk.I get the feeling they wanted them up and running after five days (between 10am & 4pm) training. Bearing in mind he'd never really come across insurance himself before and it's a trainee position.
surveyor said:
Blown2CV said:
Does seem harsh to tell them they don't feel comfortable with his knowledge when it's quite clearly an entry level job. What job was it again?
Trainee insurance clerk.I get the feeling they wanted them up and running after five days (between 10am & 4pm) training. Bearing in mind he'd never really come across insurance himself before and it's a trainee position.
in the mid 1990s when i was at school my mum worked for an insurance brokers - and in the holidays if staffign was tight I 'd occasionally get roped in to bulk up numbers in the office so there was someone to do the front desk / answer phones and do simple walk in stuff like motor quotes , for that i had the grand total of about 3 hours training - most of that was on how to do motor and household quotes.
mph1977 said:
surveyor said:
Blown2CV said:
Does seem harsh to tell them they don't feel comfortable with his knowledge when it's quite clearly an entry level job. What job was it again?
Trainee insurance clerk.I get the feeling they wanted them up and running after five days (between 10am & 4pm) training. Bearing in mind he'd never really come across insurance himself before and it's a trainee position.
in the mid 1990s when i was at school my mum worked for an insurance brokers - and in the holidays if staffign was tight I 'd occasionally get roped in to bulk up numbers in the office so there was someone to do the front desk / answer phones and do simple walk in stuff like motor quotes , for that i had the grand total of about 3 hours training - most of that was on how to do motor and household quotes.
surveyor said:
Yes. I think they've been a little harsh in not giving him a few more days, but it's their business and they know what works.
What's important to me is that he put the effort in, and that he does not get demoralised and keeps looking.
If he liked the waiting and got on fine with it - crappy apprenticeship stuff aside - is looking to get back into that line of work an option????.What's important to me is that he put the effort in, and that he does not get demoralised and keeps looking.
With a decent employer obviously.
surveyor said:
mph1977 said:
surveyor said:
Blown2CV said:
Does seem harsh to tell them they don't feel comfortable with his knowledge when it's quite clearly an entry level job. What job was it again?
Trainee insurance clerk.I get the feeling they wanted them up and running after five days (between 10am & 4pm) training. Bearing in mind he'd never really come across insurance himself before and it's a trainee position.
in the mid 1990s when i was at school my mum worked for an insurance brokers - and in the holidays if staffign was tight I 'd occasionally get roped in to bulk up numbers in the office so there was someone to do the front desk / answer phones and do simple walk in stuff like motor quotes , for that i had the grand total of about 3 hours training - most of that was on how to do motor and household quotes.
surveyor said:
Vaud said:
kev b said:
I don't like the scorn pouring down on waiters from this thread, it might not be rocket surgery but good waiters are a very valuable asset for a restaurant.
An expert waiter can increase sales and profit considerably and make the front of house run like a well oiled machine. If you learn the job properly then you have a skill for life, however most top waiters are foreign because abroad waiting on is a respected profession and not looked down on as we Brits tend to do.
I suspect a great many of those who sneer at waiting on would not last a day if they had a try.
BTW I am not a waiter.
Being a good waiter is very hard. I've been one in a high end pub/inn chain many years ago, and that was hard, but good fun. Not hard to spot opportunities to make a customer experience better, or to upsell, or to get good turnaround on a table under pressure for covers. All makes for good tips. But like all sales - it needs some empathy and savvy.An expert waiter can increase sales and profit considerably and make the front of house run like a well oiled machine. If you learn the job properly then you have a skill for life, however most top waiters are foreign because abroad waiting on is a respected profession and not looked down on as we Brits tend to do.
I suspect a great many of those who sneer at waiting on would not last a day if they had a try.
BTW I am not a waiter.
Ps. I don't think it's only the small firms using this wheeze to pay peanuts.....
Chasing a wage packet at 18 is a mugs game, 6 months as a waiter could be worth more money on career earnings if he gets through it. Play the long game.
Time to update....
But before I do. There's chasing a pay packet being a mugs game and being taken for a mug....
He started last week on a apprenticeship with a broadband company in customer service. Said company have a big issue I that the network upon which there backbone was placed closed earlier this month, and their planned migration failed. They have a lot of pissed off customers who are having to be manually migrated individually.
It's a sink or swim situation in two ways. He's been chucked into the deep end and will either catch on quick or be gone. The company will either survive this or not. If he and the company survives it could be very good for him.
We are away and just speaking to him he's a little down, out of money and being shouted at all days when he does not yet know how to resolve... It would have been nice if he'd been told what a mac code was.... Sorted out the money, the rest can only come with time....
But before I do. There's chasing a pay packet being a mugs game and being taken for a mug....
He started last week on a apprenticeship with a broadband company in customer service. Said company have a big issue I that the network upon which there backbone was placed closed earlier this month, and their planned migration failed. They have a lot of pissed off customers who are having to be manually migrated individually.
It's a sink or swim situation in two ways. He's been chucked into the deep end and will either catch on quick or be gone. The company will either survive this or not. If he and the company survives it could be very good for him.
We are away and just speaking to him he's a little down, out of money and being shouted at all days when he does not yet know how to resolve... It would have been nice if he'd been told what a mac code was.... Sorted out the money, the rest can only come with time....
It seems that you're a bit stuck on the use of the term apprentice as a leg into paid work these days as opposed to being a relatively low paid way into a skilled trade back in the day. The only comparison is the likely age of the participant and the use of the word.
If your boy is, er, still developing then his chances of landing a proper one would be very low and perhaps a good stage one is simply to get and stay in paid work regardless of what it is - there are a huge range of skills in simply sticking to something and seeing it through.
The future of this latest firm and his chances in life are very lightly linked but you seem to be making a big thing of it which somewhat over complicates the situation and adds pressure. He has a job, is getting paid and is learning - that's not a bad start.
If your boy is, er, still developing then his chances of landing a proper one would be very low and perhaps a good stage one is simply to get and stay in paid work regardless of what it is - there are a huge range of skills in simply sticking to something and seeing it through.
The future of this latest firm and his chances in life are very lightly linked but you seem to be making a big thing of it which somewhat over complicates the situation and adds pressure. He has a job, is getting paid and is learning - that's not a bad start.
Edited by Hitch78 on Wednesday 27th August 03:24
surveyor said:
Time to update....
But before I do. There's chasing a pay packet being a mugs game and being taken for a mug....
He started last week on a apprenticeship with a broadband company in customer service. Said company have a big issue I that the network upon which there backbone was placed closed earlier this month, and their planned migration failed. They have a lot of pissed off customers who are having to be manually migrated individually.
It's a sink or swim situation in two ways. He's been chucked into the deep end and will either catch on quick or be gone. The company will either survive this or not. If he and the company survives it could be very good for him.
We are away and just speaking to him he's a little down, out of money and being shouted at all days when he does not yet know how to resolve... It would have been nice if he'd been told what a mac code was.... Sorted out the money, the rest can only come with time....
Is he still there? But before I do. There's chasing a pay packet being a mugs game and being taken for a mug....
He started last week on a apprenticeship with a broadband company in customer service. Said company have a big issue I that the network upon which there backbone was placed closed earlier this month, and their planned migration failed. They have a lot of pissed off customers who are having to be manually migrated individually.
It's a sink or swim situation in two ways. He's been chucked into the deep end and will either catch on quick or be gone. The company will either survive this or not. If he and the company survives it could be very good for him.
We are away and just speaking to him he's a little down, out of money and being shouted at all days when he does not yet know how to resolve... It would have been nice if he'd been told what a mac code was.... Sorted out the money, the rest can only come with time....
Hitch78 said:
It seems that you're a bit stuck on the use of the term apprentice as a leg into paid work these days as opposed to being a relatively low paid way into a skilled trade back in the day. The only comparison is the likely age of the participant and the use of the word.
because that is what an Appreticeship is defined as in law - a job with training , increasingly it will be the only legal way to employ a 16 or 17 year old in a full tiem role there are generally three sorts of appreticeships
the 'standard' apprenticeship aimed at those who came out of GCSEs with grades D-G or only a couple of Cs or above - this is usually 1 to 2 yrears in duration and includes a levle 2 vocation qualification and levle 2 literacy, numeracy and IT qualifications
an 'advanced' apprenticeship which either folows the standard apprentice ship or is for those with GCSEs at C or above - this is again 2 years but the qualifcatiosn are level 3 ( i.e NC/ND or A level standard)
beyond that there are schemes which have work based levle 4 or Foundation degree qualifcations and often aimed at the better performers in the apprentice ships - with the outcome of 'technician' levle skills in enegineering . technicla trades and for other roles looking at people who are likely to be the generation of FLMs or competing with the graduate recruits.
VX Foxy said:
Is he still there?
He is and enjoying it. The tough times have gone and he's no longer being shouted at by customers so much, they seem happy with him.He did have a small problem with being on time. They retorted by putting him on a 11am till 8pm shift that pretty much killed his social life in the week. He's learnt fast about ramifications and is now on time.
I'm shortly off to take him in as it's 8am start this week which is difficult on the bus, so I'll walk the dog early...
Edited by surveyor on Thursday 1st January 19:53
An update....
He's still there and seems happy. He ended up at the MD's NYE party last night after the management who were having it made a decision to invite him - we live around the corner apparently.
I'm not completely convinced that this was not for amusement value, but it seems he had fun, and they think well of him.
He's struggling to budget, but he'll get there.
He's still there and seems happy. He ended up at the MD's NYE party last night after the management who were having it made a decision to invite him - we live around the corner apparently.
I'm not completely convinced that this was not for amusement value, but it seems he had fun, and they think well of him.
He's struggling to budget, but he'll get there.
surveyor said:
An update....
He's still there and seems happy. He ended up at the MD's NYE party last night after the management who were having it made a decision to invite him - we live around the corner apparently.
I'm not completely convinced that this was not for amusement value, but it seems he had fun, and they think well of him.
He's struggling to budget, but he'll get there.
Why would it be for their amusement? He's still there and seems happy. He ended up at the MD's NYE party last night after the management who were having it made a decision to invite him - we live around the corner apparently.
I'm not completely convinced that this was not for amusement value, but it seems he had fun, and they think well of him.
He's struggling to budget, but he'll get there.
Blown2CV said:
Why would it be for their amusement?
He's a bit daft and still developing common sense and always been the class Clown.. He apparently turned up 15 minutes after being invited having climbed over the gate with a pack of 4 red stripe.Having said all of this he can connect with pretty much anyone, which is a valuable asset.
Im an apprentice tool maker and my company get the wages bang on, we're paid in tiers of years worked through course.
What has been said on here in previous posts is too true for other companies, dogs bodies paid as low as possible and given spiel about being taught a trade.
It's obscene sometimes, when people are coerced into working overtime at time and a half equal to half of most of the guys single rate pay.
What has been said on here in previous posts is too true for other companies, dogs bodies paid as low as possible and given spiel about being taught a trade.
It's obscene sometimes, when people are coerced into working overtime at time and a half equal to half of most of the guys single rate pay.
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