Employers taking the ****.....
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Apprenticeships are for technical subjects, things like mechanics, plumbers, builders etc. They're not for unskilled work (there's nothing to teach, so 'apprentice' goes out the window). Why does your son not simply get a job waiting on tables and earn himself minimum wage? It's carrying plates and remembering not to call anyone a 
, the training takes about 15 seconds.
On a slightly less helpful note, first job at 18? The world has changed since my day.
Simon.
, the training takes about 15 seconds.On a slightly less helpful note, first job at 18? The world has changed since my day.
Simon.
This modern apprenticeship idea does appear to be a cheap labour piss-take 
I commenced a proper indentured apprenticeship in the printing industry as soon as I left school, when I was 16, back in 1988.
My wages back then in that first year - remember this was 25 years ago - was £125 a week.
Someone is having a laugh.
I commenced a proper indentured apprenticeship in the printing industry as soon as I left school, when I was 16, back in 1988.
My wages back then in that first year - remember this was 25 years ago - was £125 a week.
Someone is having a laugh.
surveyor said:
Well just picked him up.
He enjoyed it, but I like nothing that i hear.
Bloke pays cash at the end of month. High staff turnover. Apparently hours go missing. Tip jars go nowhere near staff etc.... Staff who leave don't get paid...
He's had two bits of interest from national insurance companies today, so hopefully something will come out of that.
My blood is boiling.
Least there's always the option if your son isn't paid when he eventually leaves, of going for a slap up full course meal then refusing to pay at the end of it saying you're going to be giving the money to your son instead as that's what is owed to him He enjoyed it, but I like nothing that i hear.
Bloke pays cash at the end of month. High staff turnover. Apparently hours go missing. Tip jars go nowhere near staff etc.... Staff who leave don't get paid...
He's had two bits of interest from national insurance companies today, so hopefully something will come out of that.
My blood is boiling.
I had loads of jobs as a teenager, some good, some bad. Someone above said that you learn from them all and I'd second that.
He should stick it out and move to something better. Always easier to get a job when you're in a job and if he's earning he won't be desperate so is more likely to jump to something with better prospects.
He should stick it out and move to something better. Always easier to get a job when you're in a job and if he's earning he won't be desperate so is more likely to jump to something with better prospects.
Zoobeef said:
My sister currently works 120 hours per week and of the 3 weeks leave she should be having between now and Christmas, 2 have been taken off her because they can't afford the time off.
Come join the forces, it's awesome
Call me a pedant but she can't work 120 hours a week, it's pretty much impossible.Come join the forces, it's awesome
Funkycoldribena said:
Rightly or wrongly,I'd seriously put my kids off working for someone like that.I would rather they sat at home than work for such a pisstake.
And maybe with attitudes like this, this is why there is such a poor work ethic among alot of people in society, as they believe the world owes them a living.I have worked for next to nothing when times were tough, something is better than nothing, and even with situations with jobs that aren't great, you will always be able to bring something positive away from it. like you know what you don't want in life, life is about learning good and bad. as my grandfather would of said it builds character.
Sadly this is how most just jobs for young people are. It's absolutely disgraceful.
Many on here have the tory ilk of 'well just work harder'.
Though I don't support all Union causes, they do a lot to prevent this sort of thing happening. It's a shame most jobs don't have access to a Union.
Many on here have the tory ilk of 'well just work harder'.
Though I don't support all Union causes, they do a lot to prevent this sort of thing happening. It's a shame most jobs don't have access to a Union.
Rick101 said:
Sadly this is how most just jobs for young people are. It's absolutely disgraceful.
Many on here have the tory ilk of 'well just work harder'.
Though I don't support all Union causes, they do a lot to prevent this sort of thing happening. It's a shame most jobs don't have access to a Union.
I'm a Tory and some of us do believe in Unions, especially for the lowest paid and exploitable members of the work force. Market economics are ok, but there are limits.Many on here have the tory ilk of 'well just work harder'.
Though I don't support all Union causes, they do a lot to prevent this sort of thing happening. It's a shame most jobs don't have access to a Union.
10penceparalyzed said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Rightly or wrongly,I'd seriously put my kids off working for someone like that.I would rather they sat at home than work for such a pisstake.
And maybe with attitudes like this, this is why there is such a poor work ethic among alot of people in society, as they believe the world owes them a living.I have worked for next to nothing when times were tough, something is better than nothing, and even with situations with jobs that aren't great, you will always be able to bring something positive away from it. like you know what you don't want in life, life is about learning good and bad. as my grandfather would of said it builds character.
What I have said is if a proper firm wants to interview him when he has a shift I'll support him when he considers the priorities.... At a young age I worked for a firm who misled and lied about the job, and to its customers, eventually featured on watchdog. I spotted this and jumped quickly, but missed a couple of interviews with good prospects. That was a mistake I'd like him not to make.
surveyor said:
Well just picked him up.
He enjoyed it, but I like nothing that i hear.
Bloke pays cash at the end of month. High staff turnover. Apparently hours go missing. Tip jars go nowhere near staff etc.... Staff who leave don't get paid...
He's had two bits of interest from national insurance companies today, so hopefully something will come out of that.
My blood is boiling.
I think dobbing in this modern day Scrooge to HMRC would be a public spirited thing to do, although I'd understand if you wait until your boy's found alternative employment.He enjoyed it, but I like nothing that i hear.
Bloke pays cash at the end of month. High staff turnover. Apparently hours go missing. Tip jars go nowhere near staff etc.... Staff who leave don't get paid...
He's had two bits of interest from national insurance companies today, so hopefully something will come out of that.
My blood is boiling.
hidetheelephants said:
surveyor said:
Well just picked him up.
He enjoyed it, but I like nothing that i hear.
Bloke pays cash at the end of month. High staff turnover. Apparently hours go missing. Tip jars go nowhere near staff etc.... Staff who leave don't get paid...
He's had two bits of interest from national insurance companies today, so hopefully something will come out of that.
My blood is boiling.
I think dobbing in this modern day Scrooge to HMRC would be a public spirited thing to do, although I'd understand if you wait until your boy's found alternative employment.He enjoyed it, but I like nothing that i hear.
Bloke pays cash at the end of month. High staff turnover. Apparently hours go missing. Tip jars go nowhere near staff etc.... Staff who leave don't get paid...
He's had two bits of interest from national insurance companies today, so hopefully something will come out of that.
My blood is boiling.
Got a summer job at uni working at a nuclear power station about 90 quid if memory servers
Only just covered staying in the stty of sttiest B+Bs..
So effectively a lose of money.
However looked good no the CV and helped get my first grad job, this was 92 the last big recession....
Sometimes you have to do a lose leader as a start to other things
But yes its taking the piss as well.
Only just covered staying in the s
tty of sttiest B+Bs..So effectively a lose of money.
However looked good no the CV and helped get my first grad job, this was 92 the last big recession....
Sometimes you have to do a lose leader as a start to other things
But yes its taking the piss as well.
There's good and bad apprenticeships, usually if its an unskilled job such as admin of something then its usually just cheap labor for the company. I'm currently on one of the better engineering ones. A good wage which increases every year for the 4 years, good hours and they are paying for me to do my HNC/HND and hopefully a degree. They are more interested in training me as a person, not just to fill a gap in their organisation.
However there are also st ones, in college I was training with lads who were on £90ish a week learning to be fitters/turners etc. Their company will pay for the bear minimum of qualifications to scrape them through an apprenticeship. Essentially just cheap labour. Half the time they just end up on the production line.
It's sad really, apprenticeships are a really important path into industries like engineering and it gives them a bad name.
However there are also s
t ones, in college I was training with lads who were on £90ish a week learning to be fitters/turners etc. Their company will pay for the bear minimum of qualifications to scrape them through an apprenticeship. Essentially just cheap labour. Half the time they just end up on the production line.It's sad really, apprenticeships are a really important path into industries like engineering and it gives them a bad name.
ferrariF50lover said:
Apprenticeships are for technical subjects, things like mechanics, plumbers, builders etc.
Not so anymore. All the big accountancy firms run apprenticeships. As do the banks, the BBC, BT et al.It's not just for bricklayers and plasterers anymore.
However, I'd question any firm offering an apprenticeship in dishwashing and table waiting. Unless it was a top hotel training up a maître d'. Ideally an proper apprenticeship should encompass at least one day a week at a place of study doing a qualification in the subject.
It's st for a lot of kids at the moment - I thought it was tough back when I was a lad, but even without a degree it was pretty easy to waltz into a menial call centre job or labouring depending on your preference - they paid more than the OP's lad is getting paid now, nearly 20 years later.
Tell him to carry on as best he can and things WILL get better - I heard yesterday that employment is back to 2007 levels and yes there's a huge amount of underemployment, 0 hours contracts and 'apprentice jobs' but the employment market is like any other, with demand growing and supply falling, prices (and by extension benefits) will only go up.
t for a lot of kids at the moment - I thought it was tough back when I was a lad, but even without a degree it was pretty easy to waltz into a menial call centre job or labouring depending on your preference - they paid more than the OP's lad is getting paid now, nearly 20 years later.Tell him to carry on as best he can and things WILL get better - I heard yesterday that employment is back to 2007 levels and yes there's a huge amount of underemployment, 0 hours contracts and 'apprentice jobs' but the employment market is like any other, with demand growing and supply falling, prices (and by extension benefits) will only go up.
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