UK resident but job in Ireland but want to keep UK T&Cs etc

UK resident but job in Ireland but want to keep UK T&Cs etc

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RC1

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219 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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No idea on this stuff but currently have a uk contract for a uk entity of a co based in ireland. its a permanent fulltime role. is it possible for me to work for the parent co in ireland yet on a uk contract so for tax and benefits purposes etc its as though im still working in the uk? in this scenario they would no longer have a uk based entity

i would expect to spend about 60-80% of my working time in ireland itself

i would want to get paid in the uk as i currently do and in sterling so wondering if there are payroll issues etc.
cheers


Barbarossa

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218 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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I would think that the Irish Tax Man would object.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 26th July 2014
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Which part of Ireland are you in?

RC1

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219 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Barbarossa said:
I would think that the Irish Tax Man would object.
why? there is a double tax treaty

RC1

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Saturday 26th July 2014
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Eric Mc said:
Which part of Ireland are you in?
The republic

Eric Mc

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Saturday 26th July 2014
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I presume you are living and working there on a reasonaly long term basis?

RC1

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Saturday 26th July 2014
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would be likely working there 4 days per week and full time perm contract so indefinitely... i know colleagues from the us and germany do it so not sure why the uk would not work just curious to see the health hazards are before i hassle the hr guys

davepoth

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Saturday 26th July 2014
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Sheepshanks

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Saturday 26th July 2014
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RC1 said:
....i know colleagues from the us and germany do it so not sure why the uk would not work
Does the company have legal entities in those countries?

Logistically, they could pay you through a UK based payroll company (we do that with payroll companies in other countries to pay employees there) I don't know how dodgy it would be not paying tax and NI in S Ireland.

I thought the double tax thing is so that you wouldn't have to pay tax in the UK on your S Ireland salary.

RC1 said:
would be likely working there 4 days per week and full time perm contract so indefinitely...
Will you travel back to the UK every week?

Eric Mc

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Sunday 27th July 2014
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The key to where you pay tax is where you are Tax Resident. This is supposed to be a matter of fact, not a matter of choice - although Premiership Footballers seem to be able to wangle offshore residency even though they live and work in the UK.

For mere mortals, claiming you are tax resident in another country when you really aren't is not that easy.

From what you are saying, it looks that, from a tax residency point of you, you will be living and working in the Republic of Ireland.

This means that you will be subject to Irish Income Tax and Pay Related Social Insurance (the Irish equivalent of UK NI).
You should NOT be subject to UK tax and NI.

If you have savings or other income income generated in the UK (rents, interest etc) that MAY be subject to UK tax deducted at source and it COULD be also subject to Irish tax. This is where the Double Taxation Agreement kicks in - which should stop you paying UK and Irish tax on the same chunk of income.

HappySilver

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164 months

Sunday 27th July 2014
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The issues may be broader than just tax. Depending on what benefits you receive you should consider how these are impacted e.g. Most UK private health schemes will not cover you if you spend a large proportion of your time out of the country.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 27th July 2014
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Agreed - state pension rights need to be looked at as well.

Not to mention employment regulations - which will deffer in detail in Ireland compared to the UK.

It's a whole different country.

RC1

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Monday 18th August 2014
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thanks for all the input so far

can payroll be administered remotely our outsourced to a third party as they wont have a legal entity based in the uk

in the arrangement ive described would measures be need to taken to ensure that I don't get excluded from the uk welfare system ie nhs, state pension etc?

Eric Mc

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Monday 18th August 2014
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RC1 said:
thanks for all the input so far

can payroll be administered remotely our outsourced to a third party as they wont have a legal entity based in the uk

in the arrangement ive described would measures be need to taken to ensure that I don't get excluded from the uk welfare system ie nhs, state pension etc?
Sorry, due to lack of punctuation and capitals it isn't entirely clear what the question is you are asking in your first sentence.

My answer to the question I THINK you are asking is - Payrolls can be administered by anybody anywhere. If you are living and working in the Irish Republic, the tax and Social Welfare payment rules that will apply to the salary you receive from your Irish employment will be those of Ireland. It doesn't matter where the payroll administrator is based.

On the state pension front, within the EU there are rules which should allow an individual who is living and working in one EU country to retain their state pension rights in their original home country (something anti-EU protagonists should remember).