Facing a Disciplinary hearing. Help please
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photosnob said:
However I was open and honest, he told me they would get references as part of HR's rules, but not to worry about it as he'd sort that out. He called me in yesterday and asked me what I thought my references said - short side is not one of them mentioned anything negative. The worst I got was worked here from date a to b.
So unless I am the luckiest guy alive, people don't give bad references. Not sure if that is a good thing or bad, and I am sure there is some reason for it. But it does seem to be the way things work.
You do realise that this type of reference isn't a great one, don't you?So unless I am the luckiest guy alive, people don't give bad references. Not sure if that is a good thing or bad, and I am sure there is some reason for it. But it does seem to be the way things work.
TheAngryDog said:
You do realise that this type of reference isn't a great one, don't you?
That really depends on who is writing the reference, and what position you held in an organisation. Do you really think that HR from say Tesco's are going to write a detailed reference for someone who left a couple of years ago and who they have never met? In a small company I can see your point, however I do think that when HR write references, and they don't know the person all they can be is factual. For the record, my military "reference" is simply a list of my service, and awards I got and my reason for discharge. It doesn't have a nice personal note on it from my OC/CO/Squad Commander - it's compiled by someone who doesn't have a clue who I am. That doesn't mean I was a crap soldier, it just means I wasn't important enough to matter. If I wanted a personal report I'd go back and ask a senior who knew me - however if a company came to them asking for this they would just refer it to Glasgow as per MOD policy.
So I'd hardly say it was fair to judge someone based on them not having an in depth personal reference.
Common place IME.
Just to update everyone on what happened. You couldn't make this stuff up.
So I try to fill the car up just before Folkstone. I tried to used my fuel card, and it was declined after 3 attempts. I just paid for the fuel on my credit card. I guess they thought this would stop me.
Get a few missed calls from my old boss, decide to just block the number as want to relax.
The following day, I get a phone call from my brother who is down as emergency contact through work. He said my work have contacted him asking do they know where I am, as they can't get hold of me. They told him that they are worried I'm driving the car uninsured as I've gone on the wrong dates. He told them I was already abroad not knowing anything different. How ridiculous is it they called him?
Decided I best make contact to sort it out heaven forbid something happens to the car. Call my boss; and he told I need to return home immediately and I wasn't insured as I've taken the car abroad without permission. (At this point, I did not know the outcome of the disciplinary hearing).
Send him an email with a form he, and HR have signed authorising the car abroad on said dates, so I'm fine. Block his number again as didn't want any more hassle.
Get a call later that day from my neighbour, saying there have been people looking through my window at my house, parked outside, trying the doorbell etc. She went and asked if she could help and they were trying to hand deliver a letter to me. She also told them I'm away at the moment, but said she'd take it on my behalf. I asked her if it'd be possible to open it, and send me over a copy of it, apologising for the hassle and slightly embarrassed about the contents.
At this point, I am now in Spain. I looked at the letter on my email, and confirmed I have been dismissed without notice, and must return all company property, including car, fuel car, laptop, phone etc.
Send a polite email to my manager, saying I have just read the contents of the letter, but the car is now in Spain as you didn't tell me I had been dismissed when we spoke earlier. Basically say, but a bit more politely, I can either leave the car on the side of the road in the middle of Spain and post the keys back to you to then go and find the car, or you can insure it as I'm no longer covered as I'm not an employee, and I will return it as originally agreed.
Get an phone call the next day from our HR Director, reluctantly asking whereabouts in Spain, and what dates I'd be in other countries for insurance purposes. I can hear how annoyed he sounds.
Get back yesterday, and have a text from my manager saying can I return the car for midday today.
Only just replied now saying the car is on the grass outside my house, and told them the location of the key. I am not driving it on my time as I'm now not employed by them.
At the moment, it's now 4pm and no ones picked it up yet. And best news is I had a nice Thrifty car turn up today from my new employers until my proper permanent car arrives.
So what a saga. All for a car. In reference to some people saying why didn't I just rent a car, firstly, nothing decent I could get at late notice, and secondly, and properly most importantly for me, it would be accepting defeating and letting them get what they want.
On another note, no rain for 2 and a bit weeks. 35 degree heat. Very nice, relaxing break once everything was sorted.
So I try to fill the car up just before Folkstone. I tried to used my fuel card, and it was declined after 3 attempts. I just paid for the fuel on my credit card. I guess they thought this would stop me.
Get a few missed calls from my old boss, decide to just block the number as want to relax.
The following day, I get a phone call from my brother who is down as emergency contact through work. He said my work have contacted him asking do they know where I am, as they can't get hold of me. They told him that they are worried I'm driving the car uninsured as I've gone on the wrong dates. He told them I was already abroad not knowing anything different. How ridiculous is it they called him?
Decided I best make contact to sort it out heaven forbid something happens to the car. Call my boss; and he told I need to return home immediately and I wasn't insured as I've taken the car abroad without permission. (At this point, I did not know the outcome of the disciplinary hearing).
Send him an email with a form he, and HR have signed authorising the car abroad on said dates, so I'm fine. Block his number again as didn't want any more hassle.
Get a call later that day from my neighbour, saying there have been people looking through my window at my house, parked outside, trying the doorbell etc. She went and asked if she could help and they were trying to hand deliver a letter to me. She also told them I'm away at the moment, but said she'd take it on my behalf. I asked her if it'd be possible to open it, and send me over a copy of it, apologising for the hassle and slightly embarrassed about the contents.
At this point, I am now in Spain. I looked at the letter on my email, and confirmed I have been dismissed without notice, and must return all company property, including car, fuel car, laptop, phone etc.
Send a polite email to my manager, saying I have just read the contents of the letter, but the car is now in Spain as you didn't tell me I had been dismissed when we spoke earlier. Basically say, but a bit more politely, I can either leave the car on the side of the road in the middle of Spain and post the keys back to you to then go and find the car, or you can insure it as I'm no longer covered as I'm not an employee, and I will return it as originally agreed.
Get an phone call the next day from our HR Director, reluctantly asking whereabouts in Spain, and what dates I'd be in other countries for insurance purposes. I can hear how annoyed he sounds.
Get back yesterday, and have a text from my manager saying can I return the car for midday today.
Only just replied now saying the car is on the grass outside my house, and told them the location of the key. I am not driving it on my time as I'm now not employed by them.
At the moment, it's now 4pm and no ones picked it up yet. And best news is I had a nice Thrifty car turn up today from my new employers until my proper permanent car arrives.
So what a saga. All for a car. In reference to some people saying why didn't I just rent a car, firstly, nothing decent I could get at late notice, and secondly, and properly most importantly for me, it would be accepting defeating and letting them get what they want.
On another note, no rain for 2 and a bit weeks. 35 degree heat. Very nice, relaxing break once everything was sorted.
t, yet are incapable of logical thought.HereBeMonsters said:
Are you sure you're not being fired for numerous spelling and grammar errors?
Apologies.HenryJM said:
Are you going to appeal?
Two minds about it. Now I'm back I'll get some proper, legal advice. It is to my understanding, that an appeal will only be able to reinstate with my old role, which I don't want to do as I'll be starting at the new place this week.The stress and hassle of a tribunal will be long winded, and I don't want to come across to my new employers as someone who does, as usually I'm hassle free. This was just all off the chart mental.
StrippyShirts said:
Two minds about it. Now I'm back I'll get some proper, legal advice. It is to my understanding, that an appeal will only be able to reinstate with my old role, which I don't want to do as I'll be starting at the new place this week.
The stress and hassle of a tribunal will be long winded, and I don't want to come across to my new employers as someone who does, as usually I'm hassle free. This was just all off the chart mental.
You can get compensation but it doesn't sound like you have much, in terms of financial loss, to be compensated for. It's more hassle than monetary loss.The stress and hassle of a tribunal will be long winded, and I don't want to come across to my new employers as someone who does, as usually I'm hassle free. This was just all off the chart mental.
The primary issue is whether having a dismissal against you is an issue, it seems not for your new employer and if that is fairly generally the case you might as well just move on because, as you say, it would be cost and hassle,
StrippyShirts said:
Two minds about it. Now I'm back I'll get some proper, legal advice. It is to my understanding, that an appeal will only be able to reinstate with my old role, which I don't want to do as I'll be starting at the new place this week.
The stress and hassle of a tribunal will be long winded, and I don't want to come across to my new employers as someone who does, as usually I'm hassle free. This was just all off the chart mental.
If you successfully appeal then wouldn't you be able to claim that you resigned and that they would give you a satisfactory reference?The stress and hassle of a tribunal will be long winded, and I don't want to come across to my new employers as someone who does, as usually I'm hassle free. This was just all off the chart mental.
I would personally drag them through whatever hassle I could. I'd tell my new employer that I simply want the slate cleared and that the process wouldn't impact on them in any way. As competitors they might even help you!
STW2010 said:
If you successfully appeal then wouldn't you be able to claim that you resigned and that they would give you a satisfactory reference?
I would personally drag them through whatever hassle I could. I'd tell my new employer that I simply want the slate cleared and that the process wouldn't impact on them in any way. As competitors they might even help you!
I'd get on with my life and enjoy my new job. I would personally drag them through whatever hassle I could. I'd tell my new employer that I simply want the slate cleared and that the process wouldn't impact on them in any way. As competitors they might even help you!
He's had a nice holiday - why go through more rubbish when there is little to gain? He's won this one and I congratulate him for it.
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