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98elise said:
The employee has lied to gain money from the employer. The employer has not been getting the what they paid for.
I was referring to the job application in question so my comment is true. Also, despite a lie on a cv how could a previous happy employer say they haven't been getting what they paid for? OP has not lied to the extent of giving himself an auditing qualification for example that would make any audits he signed off void. If his job was to pack boxes, would they be any less packed for the sake of not having a gcse? If the OP really wants the job I think he should get the fake certificates and take his chances. He says it's a big organisation so there's no way they'll take him on if he admits to his mistake now. Chances are the pre-employment checks will be farmed out to an agency and all they'll need is sight of the documents - no cross-checking databases etc.
Obviously there is a small risk of getting caught and having to deal with the consequences. I believe this risk is small and can't really see a private-sector firm going out of its way get a junior employee prosecuted. might be wrong though.
If you're not desperate for this job, withdraw from the application process and go get some qualifications at night school.
However, my pragmatic advice would be to just get the fake certificates and go for it.
As an aside, I'm pretty disgusted that an admin assistant would get 6 months in prison for faking qualifications. People get less for GBH.
Obviously there is a small risk of getting caught and having to deal with the consequences. I believe this risk is small and can't really see a private-sector firm going out of its way get a junior employee prosecuted. might be wrong though.
If you're not desperate for this job, withdraw from the application process and go get some qualifications at night school.
However, my pragmatic advice would be to just get the fake certificates and go for it.
As an aside, I'm pretty disgusted that an admin assistant would get 6 months in prison for faking qualifications. People get less for GBH.
My School no longer exists as it was turned into an academy and had a name change, I would have no idea where to get them from.
this sounds like they want to check you have them, but I guarantee on the day they wont ask to see them.
If they do are they going to ring the council to check (Does Data privacy sit on this one!?)
do what someone else suggested, lost can get replacements do you have a test to take etc...
good luck OP!
this sounds like they want to check you have them, but I guarantee on the day they wont ask to see them.
If they do are they going to ring the council to check (Does Data privacy sit on this one!?)
do what someone else suggested, lost can get replacements do you have a test to take etc...
good luck OP!
If I hired someone who has lied on their CV, I ould be pretty cross and would probably consider firing them. It clear in our terms and conditions.
However, my brother was bullied at school and I know the impact it can have, but OP, you have had chance to sit GCSE's in the years since.
Its not your ability to do the job that would concern me, its the fact I have to trust my employees.
I see two choices -
1. withdraw from the process
2. try and find the line manager or senior HR person or higher for the role and ask for a private emeeting, and be straight with them, tell them what you have told us.
If it was me employing, number 2 would gain some respect, but its risky. Having said that, I would be looking at your relevant experience rather than relying on GCSE's
However, my brother was bullied at school and I know the impact it can have, but OP, you have had chance to sit GCSE's in the years since.
Its not your ability to do the job that would concern me, its the fact I have to trust my employees.
I see two choices -
1. withdraw from the process
2. try and find the line manager or senior HR person or higher for the role and ask for a private emeeting, and be straight with them, tell them what you have told us.
If it was me employing, number 2 would gain some respect, but its risky. Having said that, I would be looking at your relevant experience rather than relying on GCSE's
evo4a said:
Pit Pony said:
You have lied in order to gain something to which you wouldn't be entitled to. Not sure how serious this is, and I doubt you'd get more than a police caution
Yes, the police love nothing more than spending time on fictitious CV's. I once said I played for the village football team on my CV, after lengthy investigations it was discovered I only had trials, luckily I only got a suspended sentence.
He never had a Sunday round. The papers were too heavy and he couldnt lift the bag.
Frankly, I have little sympathy for the bloke.
m3coupe said:
98elise said:
The employee has lied to gain money from the employer. The employer has not been getting the what they paid for.
I was referring to the job application in question so my comment is true. Also, despite a lie on a cv how could a previous happy employer say they haven't been getting what they paid for? OP has not lied to the extent of giving himself an auditing qualification for example that would make any audits he signed off void. If his job was to pack boxes, would they be any less packed for the sake of not having a gcse? You have had 10 years to go back to college and gain these grades as a 'mature student'. It could even be done in evening classes?
I would withdraw from the job application citing personal circumstances and thank them for their time. Then it's time to knuckle down and gain some GCSE's which opens the doors to some other qualifications.
You have stated you're 29 and always floated between jobs. Well at 29 it is not too late to turn things around and actually gain some direction!
I mean this with the best of intentions, bullying is a completely horrible experience I know all too well.
Good luck!
I would withdraw from the job application citing personal circumstances and thank them for their time. Then it's time to knuckle down and gain some GCSE's which opens the doors to some other qualifications.
You have stated you're 29 and always floated between jobs. Well at 29 it is not too late to turn things around and actually gain some direction!
I mean this with the best of intentions, bullying is a completely horrible experience I know all too well.
Good luck!
Jasandjules said:
Lying on a CV then getting a job means your wages could be deemed as being obtained fraudulently and would likely result in a dismissal for Gross Misconduct.
I would advise them the CV you sent them is incorrect and you wish to withdraw your application as a result.
The HCPC has also struck individuals off for this , the sole count on the allegation being dishonesty by virtue of the lies told over quals/ grades ... I would advise them the CV you sent them is incorrect and you wish to withdraw your application as a result.
longshot said:
Ilovetwiglets said:
longshot said:
A CSE grade 1 is equivilant to an O Level pass. A grade 2 and upwards is what it is and no more.
An O level grade a to c is a pass. D and onwards are fails so you haven't got 8.
I wonder how many you do have. A "few" is more than 1 so you're down to 6 already.
It's not though is it, you either sat a CSE or O level exam, you could claim the equivalent but you'd still have to put CSE on your CV.An O level grade a to c is a pass. D and onwards are fails so you haven't got 8.
I wonder how many you do have. A "few" is more than 1 so you're down to 6 already.
Edited by longshot on Thursday 14th August 21:07
CSE was an entirely separate exam. If you got a grade 1 CSE, it was classed as the equivalent to a grade S O level, but only for the purposes of future education. ie. If you needed to have five O levels to get onto a college course, then three O levels (grade A-C) plus two grade 1 CSEs would be allowed.
A205GTI said:
My School no longer exists as it was turned into an academy and had a name change, I would have no idea where to get them from.
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replacement exam certificates are issued by the relvant Exam board ( or it's successor), unless they were never collected, when the school / college / centre may hold the originals for a period <snip>
if you have the board , centre and candidate number you should be able to obtain replacements from the relevant board (or successor as a number of boards have merged or been taken over by Pearson as part of BTEC/edexcel)
I've been looking into it and apparently my NVQs act as GCSEs anyway. I've got:
Level 2 Application of Number
Level 2 Communication
Level 2 Retail Operations
Level 2 Retail something else
I may have totally read it wrong but from what I could gather those first 2 NVQs will act as my GCSE equivelants for Maths and English.
Level 2 Application of Number
Level 2 Communication
Level 2 Retail Operations
Level 2 Retail something else
I may have totally read it wrong but from what I could gather those first 2 NVQs will act as my GCSE equivelants for Maths and English.
GreatPretender said:
m3coupe said:
98elise said:
The employee has lied to gain money from the employer. The employer has not been getting the what they paid for.
I was referring to the job application in question so my comment is true. Also, despite a lie on a cv how could a previous happy employer say they haven't been getting what they paid for? OP has not lied to the extent of giving himself an auditing qualification for example that would make any audits he signed off void. If his job was to pack boxes, would they be any less packed for the sake of not having a gcse? The employer has paid for something, and not got it. There are lots of jobs (mine included) that employers will ask for particular qualificatons for, especially if they are paying in the upper regions of the pay scale.
CasuallyDressed said:
I've been looking into it and apparently my NVQs act as GCSEs anyway. I've got:
Level 2 Application of Number
Level 2 Communication
Level 2 Retail Operations
Level 2 Retail something else
I may have totally read it wrong but from what I could gather those first 2 NVQs will act as my GCSE equivelants for Maths and English.
So the crucial question is - how did you word your education on your CV? Level 2 Application of Number
Level 2 Communication
Level 2 Retail Operations
Level 2 Retail something else
I may have totally read it wrong but from what I could gather those first 2 NVQs will act as my GCSE equivelants for Maths and English.
Sounds like a good time to come clean and explain what qualifications you really have; otherwise politely withdraw citing personal reasons if admitting the lie is likely to tarnish your reputation beyond this one company.
CasuallyDressed said:
I've been looking into it and apparently my NVQs act as GCSEs anyway. I've got:
Level 2 Application of Number
Level 2 Communication
Level 2 Retail Operations
Level 2 Retail something else
I may have totally read it wrong but from what I could gather those first 2 NVQs will act as my GCSE equivelants for Maths and English.
Level 2 application of number or numeracy will definitely count for Maths, and the communication may very well count for the english.Level 2 Application of Number
Level 2 Communication
Level 2 Retail Operations
Level 2 Retail something else
I may have totally read it wrong but from what I could gather those first 2 NVQs will act as my GCSE equivelants for Maths and English.
OP: Have sympathy for you on a personal level but with my employer hat on, why didn't you try to obtain the qualifications by one of many means available since leaving school, endeavour to mend the situation rather than shrug it off as a hard luck story that entitles you to lie?
I'd inform them you've "found another opportunity" for now and do the above, you've had a close call this time but it'll bite you hard in the ass sooner or later, probably at the worst time possible (tm)murphy.
Best wishes.
I'd inform them you've "found another opportunity" for now and do the above, you've had a close call this time but it'll bite you hard in the ass sooner or later, probably at the worst time possible (tm)murphy.
Best wishes.
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