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The Moose said:
CasuallyDressed said:
Hmm, somewhat.
I've contacted the people I did my NVQs with and confirmed that my Communication and Application of Number do in fact act as equivalents to English and Maths GCSE A-C.
I've just now contacted the recruitment department of where I'm applying and asked if I can present my NVQ certificates in lieu of my 'lost' GCSE certificates. If its a yes, then happy days. If its a no then I'll come clean and tell them the truth (apparently my emails have been going through to the head of HR, not some random bod).
I guess I'll find out today whether or not I'm continuing with this application.
So, what happened??I've contacted the people I did my NVQs with and confirmed that my Communication and Application of Number do in fact act as equivalents to English and Maths GCSE A-C.
I've just now contacted the recruitment department of where I'm applying and asked if I can present my NVQ certificates in lieu of my 'lost' GCSE certificates. If its a yes, then happy days. If its a no then I'll come clean and tell them the truth (apparently my emails have been going through to the head of HR, not some random bod).
I guess I'll find out today whether or not I'm continuing with this application.
My email was sent on Monday morning, we are now on Wednesday afternoon. I'm due an email or phone call soon regardless of this separate email because I'm due an invite to the half training day.
So yeah, nothing's happened, yet.
CasuallyDressed said:
Nothing yet...
My email was sent on Monday morning, we are now on Wednesday afternoon. I'm due an email or phone call soon regardless of this separate email because I'm due an invite to the half training day.
So yeah, nothing's happened, yet.
Perhaps on your CV you missed out the word 'equivalent' after GCSE because that's what you meant right? My email was sent on Monday morning, we are now on Wednesday afternoon. I'm due an email or phone call soon regardless of this separate email because I'm due an invite to the half training day.
So yeah, nothing's happened, yet.
We had someone lie on their CV. We found out and they were fired on the spot.
We are in a regulated industry and people need to be "fit and proper". Above all they need to be trustworthy. The thing they lied about was irrelevant to them being hired. It was the fact they lied.
However, none of that helps the OP. I understand why you got yourself into this pickle.
I think that coming clean asap (and accepting the consequences) is the first step. Explain the reasons as you did here. The next is probably to do some night school courses. Get some GCSEs and some NVQs that can sit on your CV.
We are in a regulated industry and people need to be "fit and proper". Above all they need to be trustworthy. The thing they lied about was irrelevant to them being hired. It was the fact they lied.
However, none of that helps the OP. I understand why you got yourself into this pickle.
I think that coming clean asap (and accepting the consequences) is the first step. Explain the reasons as you did here. The next is probably to do some night school courses. Get some GCSEs and some NVQs that can sit on your CV.
badgers_back said:
Friend of mine left uni with a 3rd in the 1991 recession.
Changed to to a 2.1 on his CV next day been fully employed ever since, high up in his field few job changes security cleared at SC and DV and no one has ever checked / asked to see the cert...
That makes a mockery of the people who were actually intelligent enough to get that grade.Changed to to a 2.1 on his CV next day been fully employed ever since, high up in his field few job changes security cleared at SC and DV and no one has ever checked / asked to see the cert...
I didn't go to uni, perhaps I should just make up that I did? After all, it's worth the same as your mate's fictitious result...
Funk said:
badgers_back said:
Friend of mine left uni with a 3rd in the 1991 recession.
Changed to to a 2.1 on his CV next day been fully employed ever since, high up in his field few job changes security cleared at SC and DV and no one has ever checked / asked to see the cert...
That makes a mockery of the people who were actually intelligent enough to get that grade.Changed to to a 2.1 on his CV next day been fully employed ever since, high up in his field few job changes security cleared at SC and DV and no one has ever checked / asked to see the cert...
I didn't go to uni, perhaps I should just make up that I did? After all, it's worth the same as your mate's fictitious result...
Everyone embellishes their CV - that is accepted.
My son will probably add a job for this summer along the lines of "Manager: visitor transit logistics for a major wildlife park". He is driving the train and organising parking at our local zoo. That is acceptable. It is sort of true and not an outright lie.
However, qualifications are black and white. You either have them or you don't.
My son will probably add a job for this summer along the lines of "Manager: visitor transit logistics for a major wildlife park". He is driving the train and organising parking at our local zoo. That is acceptable. It is sort of true and not an outright lie.
However, qualifications are black and white. You either have them or you don't.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
International communications executive - postroom asst.
Sourced new computer hardware for the accounts dept - went out and bought a new calculator for Brenda.
A good CV should contain not a single lie, yet you shouldn't be able to recognise yourself from it.
What a pile of rubbish. Didn't make any of that kind of stuff up and still got a job no problem! If anything perhaps giving examples of the stuff I mentioned in the CV helped, as it showed I wasn't making it up. I'm certainly not someone to hold a lack of qualifications against someone (in fact I regard it stupid a lot of the time when someone has a lot of experience but misses out due to no degree), but the lying issue would be the big question here. You have limited information about the person, so every little piece then gets used, and it wouldn't look good.Sourced new computer hardware for the accounts dept - went out and bought a new calculator for Brenda.
A good CV should contain not a single lie, yet you shouldn't be able to recognise yourself from it.
I've had some involvement with people looking to start services so that it is much easier to check qualifications, so taking data particularly from universities and (for a fee) checking the veracity of qualifications on CVs. As an employer I could be interested with people we recruit not least because it gives a steer on how honest applicants are.
(Before anyone asks about Data Protection it would be done based on the applicant giving signed permission to release the data, obviously no signature would mean no success in the application).
(Before anyone asks about Data Protection it would be done based on the applicant giving signed permission to release the data, obviously no signature would mean no success in the application).
brickwall said:
badgers_back said:
security cleared at SC and DV and no one has ever checked / asked to see the cert...
I think they're checking for slightly different things when you go through SC or DV process. It's mainly about vulnerability to blackmail!Kermit power said:
"Tell us what we want to know or we'll tell your employer you lied about your qualifications and destroy your career" seems like pretty decent blackmail material to me?
Other way around. They'd have to get a copy of the CV you gave to your employer, as well as some kind of other information implying that was different to what's written on your certificates. Pretty unlikely compared to:- Credit checks: Are you in debt and vulnerable to money?
- Criminal checks: Have you done bad things in the past that either mean you shouldn't be trusted, or, that other may prey on?
- Personal checks: Are you cheating on your wife?
brickwall said:
Other way around. They'd have to get a copy of the CV you gave to your employer, as well as some kind of other information implying that was different to what's written on your certificates. Pretty unlikely compared to:
- Credit checks: Are you in debt and vulnerable to money?
- Criminal checks: Have you done bad things in the past that either mean you shouldn't be trusted, or, that other may prey on?
- Personal checks: Are you cheating on your wife?
Just as a point of interest how would they go about personal checks? (not that I have anything to hide - Credit checks: Are you in debt and vulnerable to money?
- Criminal checks: Have you done bad things in the past that either mean you shouldn't be trusted, or, that other may prey on?
- Personal checks: Are you cheating on your wife?
)I recently had to do another enhanced disclosure and in the past (years ago) had to go through several hoops and checks for Police and military contracts etc. But how would they find out if you were cheating on your Mrs!?
And for the OP: Hopefully your "equivalent" explanation will work. If not back to night school!
21TonyK said:
Just as a point of interest how would they go about personal checks? (not that I have anything to hide )
I recently had to do another enhanced disclosure and in the past (years ago) had to go through several hoops and checks for Police and military contracts etc. But how would they find out if you were cheating on your Mrs!?
And for the OP: Hopefully your "equivalent" explanation will work. If not back to night school!
Not for SC but for DV and related they will interview several people close to you and conduct deep background checks. You would be surprised what they know/find out. )I recently had to do another enhanced disclosure and in the past (years ago) had to go through several hoops and checks for Police and military contracts etc. But how would they find out if you were cheating on your Mrs!?
And for the OP: Hopefully your "equivalent" explanation will work. If not back to night school!
Kermit power said:
brickwall said:
badgers_back said:
security cleared at SC and DV and no one has ever checked / asked to see the cert...
I think they're checking for slightly different things when you go through SC or DV process. It's mainly about vulnerability to blackmail!Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff