Problem at work

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cossy400

3,165 posts

185 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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OP you "suggested" this and your openly telling the whole of PH.

And not for one second did it occur to you it could go horribly wrong?

After all, all offices have a munter, whose likely to kick a fuss up.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Unless cossy 400's comment is also a wind up, we still have a looooong way to go before we get out of the cave!

vescaegg

25,556 posts

168 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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I'm calling this as a wind up. No one is this ridiculous.

OP did you just find an unaired episode of the office and write the script out? Actually David Brent may not even dare say this out loud! rofl

98elise

26,644 posts

162 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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If this isn't a wind up then you're an idiot! Why didn't you ask them to wear low cut tops and push up bra's at the same time!?

Its been about 20 years since I've heard a manager ask women in the office to dress in a "more attractive" way. Even then it made me cringe.


Oldandslow

2,405 posts

207 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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We all like a few attractive fillies around to brighten up the office but you can't tell them what to wear old chap.

You need to check that attitude at the door to HR and show some contrition. Try to convince them it was never intended to make anyone feel bad although it clearly has.

DO NOT use the words "pig dog" or "stunner"

How the fk did you get to be in charge of any one without being taught these things? Blame the company and ask for sensitivity training.

Blib

44,174 posts

198 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Last month on another thread the OP said:
Having worked for the same company for 20years I'm thinking of making a change and moving into contracting - I'm a Programme Manager.

I've no idea where to start on this so anyone have any advice or pointers on what to read to get me underway.

I'm not sure if I need to register with an agency or go it alone.

Any help would be appreciated.
So, you've initiated the change.................

Wacky Racer

38,173 posts

248 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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CAH706 said:
and admittedly giving the chance for the stunners to shine!
If you dig any deeper you will be in Australia.......biggrin



VinceFox

20,566 posts

173 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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So, what kind of company is it exactly?

RammyMP

6,784 posts

154 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Stunners you say?

...any photos?

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Oldandslow said:
DO NOT use the words "pig dog" or "stunner"
Surely those terms are subjective to the OP ? I thought that was going to be part of his defence.

vescaegg

25,556 posts

168 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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RammyMP said:
Stunners you say?

...any photos?
He prob has a camera in the girls toilet!

brickwall

5,250 posts

211 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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This can't be real. I don't believe it.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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This has a BS level of 10 (on a scale of 1-10).

Is school so boring that we get this in only the second week of term?

mike9009

7,016 posts

244 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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This is either bad management or bad recruitment. Personally, I reckon your recruitment policy sucks. Does your recruitment policy not have a physical appearance section?? You should get off with a slap on the wrist....

Mrs Muttleysnoop

1,412 posts

185 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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... and the dress code for the men in your team is ???????????

campionissimo

578 posts

125 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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please say it's hotpants

conanius

743 posts

199 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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So... I've been thinking about this, and whether it is true or not.

I did my joke post a page or so back, but let's try serious and pretend it is true. The more I read it, the more it can't be, but let's entertain it.

In my office, we have no customers onsite. I work for a major multinational, and it's a 'cool' brand. Our dress code is formally defined as smart casual in the employee handbook. There is no definition of this.

Whilst we have no customers on site, they do visit, and sometimes it is incredibly senior people, PH Directors no less.

As such, as the team manager, I wear a suit to work. No tie, but jacket always. On dress down Friday, I'll lose the jacket.

My team, 4 3rd line disciplines, as a minimum wear smart jeans, a shirt with a collar - usually smart polo shirts - and shoes. Several guys always wear smart shirts, trousers, and shoes.

I'm going to guess, you wanted your team to look professional. Suggesting women wore skirts doesn't guarantee this, which is why you keep the descriptions broad. By the team as a whole definit and agreeig smart casual as saying a smart collared top with no questionable slogans on, we are focusing on being relaxed, professional, certainly not offensive. People expect techies to be relaxed, and we have that environment.

Let's imagine that was your goal, and absolutely NOT marketing the attractive qualities of the ladies. You obviously would never have had this as your plan, as it's totally wrong. It would have been a huge misinterpretation, Right?

I honestly have no idea how you get out of this, other than begging forgiveness. Maybe if everyone woman bar the one who complained says they were not offended you stand a chance of keeping your job.

Did you have to ever do an equality and diversity course? If not, you might be able to use this in your defence that you haven't had appropriate training on the language to use to ensure your team are professional.

Like those drink driver courses where when your caught 0.001 mg over the limit after having your first drink for a month, but you have to admit to being an alcoholic to pass... You need to be willing to do anything and accept all their views and findings.

You really, really need representation.... If this really is true.


anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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TheLordJohn

5,746 posts

147 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Blame the fatties.
If she wasn't fat, she'd also have looked good in a short skirt smile
And, also, OP seems to have gone a but quiet...?

BGARK

5,494 posts

247 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Turn up to the HR meeting in the same short skirt etc and say you are transgender. It should thrown them off track enough, they will be unable to prove that that you are not like this in real life.

This way you can state you are just fitting in with the rest of the girls.

If they sack you you could claim transism or similar.

HTH