Problem at work
Discussion
BGARK said:
Turn up to the HR meeting in the same short skirt etc and say you are transgender. It should thrown them off track enough, they will be unable to prove that that you are not like this in real life.
This way you can state you are just fitting in with the rest of the girls.
If they sack you you could claim transism or similar.
HTH
Forget my helpful post. This. x10. This way you can state you are just fitting in with the rest of the girls.
If they sack you you could claim transism or similar.
HTH
Please film it. Please.
You're going to have to treat the disciplinary like a court case and plead 'not guilty' on the grounds of diminished responsibility, I'm afraid.
To back that up I suggest you appear in a short skirt, as recommended above.
That should work out just fine.
To back that up I suggest you appear in a short skirt, as recommended above.
That should work out just fine.
Edited by PorkInsider on Wednesday 10th September 23:23
Firstly, I'm embarrassed by the word pig dog and do apologies for its use. I was at the end of my teather yesterday. Some of the other stuff was an attempt to make light of what is looking like a sacking. I have a mortgage etc like most of you so need the job really for now.
Thanks to all for the comments both humerous and serious.
A bit more background as it reads worse than it is I think, but again comments welcome.
More background.
Most people in my team have worked for me for 10 years or more and we socialise quite a bit together. On an annual basis we have a social trip away for a long weekend. This is paid for by us personally and not a work thing. Hard to believe but people like me.
The team has a good reputation both for work quality and hitting the balance of having a laugh and as such people want to work for me.....I get loads of applicants to jobs on the boards.
The work dress code is a shambles and does not foster a professional environment. You can wear wear jumpers and chinos!
Mitigating factors when I face HR
I implemented a dress code for BOTH women and men.
For men this was suits including ties and smart shoes (not smart boots )which everyone adopted.
For women this was skirts, knee length business and non flat shoes but really this was not sandal type stuff
The above was discussed and agreed I a team meeting
There was no come back if people didn't adopt the policy
When standards slipped, I reminded them of the dress code and they smarted up again but colleague A reported me to HR and the union without expressing any concern to me first.....that's what I'm annoyed about.
I have been contacted by most of the team who don't know why I'm now absent and have had loads of support. I have not told them colleague A has reported me as that's unfair on her but they know it's dress code related. They are happy to say they supported this code.
Anyway sorry for the long post and based on comments I guess I'm stuffed. HR were clear I'm in the mire.
Thanks to all for the comments both humerous and serious.
A bit more background as it reads worse than it is I think, but again comments welcome.
More background.
Most people in my team have worked for me for 10 years or more and we socialise quite a bit together. On an annual basis we have a social trip away for a long weekend. This is paid for by us personally and not a work thing. Hard to believe but people like me.
The team has a good reputation both for work quality and hitting the balance of having a laugh and as such people want to work for me.....I get loads of applicants to jobs on the boards.
The work dress code is a shambles and does not foster a professional environment. You can wear wear jumpers and chinos!
Mitigating factors when I face HR
I implemented a dress code for BOTH women and men.
For men this was suits including ties and smart shoes (not smart boots )which everyone adopted.
For women this was skirts, knee length business and non flat shoes but really this was not sandal type stuff
The above was discussed and agreed I a team meeting
There was no come back if people didn't adopt the policy
When standards slipped, I reminded them of the dress code and they smarted up again but colleague A reported me to HR and the union without expressing any concern to me first.....that's what I'm annoyed about.
I have been contacted by most of the team who don't know why I'm now absent and have had loads of support. I have not told them colleague A has reported me as that's unfair on her but they know it's dress code related. They are happy to say they supported this code.
Anyway sorry for the long post and based on comments I guess I'm stuffed. HR were clear I'm in the mire.
It reads like you run a clique where the funny guys and pretty girls all get to have a laugh, and those who just want to get on with their jobs and might not fit your idea of fun are either not hired or are left to feel outside the circle.
It's an unprofessional and exclusionist situation. You ought to reconsider why people go to work and what the company needs, as your approach seems to put those two behind your own desires.
It's an unprofessional and exclusionist situation. You ought to reconsider why people go to work and what the company needs, as your approach seems to put those two behind your own desires.
CAH706 said:
Everyone was ok with dress code and other policies bar one colleague. There are no cliques in the team and colleague A for example went on the last social weekend away and I did not.
To be clear I don't hire on looks I do follow the process.
It still sounds like you're saying this one employee is th e problem and not you.To be clear I don't hire on looks I do follow the process.
CAH706 said:
Everyone was ok with dress code and other policies bar one colleague. There are no cliques in the team and colleague A for example went on the last social weekend away and I did not.
To be clear I don't hire on looks I do follow the process.
Those inside the clique never notice the existence of the clique, but do tend to think that everyone else is the problem.To be clear I don't hire on looks I do follow the process.
A group of employees cannot overrule company policy and rules just because they agree to.
She didn't like the dress code and could have said to me and that would have been fine. She is happy to work with and input into how we shape our working lives. This is a big driver in the team. I get she felt awkward over this but a chat would have helped.
We bend other policies eg I allow them all more wfh days if they want. It's not just this. I can't believe everyone sticks to the letter of the law at work? Yes for customers policies but team related?
We bend other policies eg I allow them all more wfh days if they want. It's not just this. I can't believe everyone sticks to the letter of the law at work? Yes for customers policies but team related?
CAH706 said:
Everyone was ok with dress code and other policies bar one colleague. There are no cliques in the team and colleague A for example went on the last social weekend away and I did not.
To be clear I don't hire on looks I do follow the process.
But you are trying to enforce a dress policy that makes someone uncomfortable. You have already described her as un attactive, and she probably knows thats how most men feel about her. Her not wanting to wear short skirts and high heels means she probably has body image issues. This is not her fault!To be clear I don't hire on looks I do follow the process.
You are trying to push a dress code on her that she is not happy with. She probably had no issue with you before, its the policy you are pushing on her that shes not happy with, not you.
She possibly should have spoken to you first, but its not always easy.
How long has the unofficial dress code been in place?
Wish we could do that at our place, too many women have decided that during the summer months, business attire that befits a financial institute now includes:
Summer dresses
tight jeggins or what ever those skin tight trousers are
sandels
flip flops
Its a disgrace that they can do that when blokes are always in suit and shirt, with smart shoes.
Wish we could do that at our place, too many women have decided that during the summer months, business attire that befits a financial institute now includes:
Summer dresses
tight jeggins or what ever those skin tight trousers are
sandels
flip flops
Its a disgrace that they can do that when blokes are always in suit and shirt, with smart shoes.
If as now appears possible this is not a wind up, OP, your attitudes to women stink. You are a dinosaur, and need to adjust your attitudes if you are to have any place in management. This isn't about PC, it's about treating people as people and not as objects, and treating people equally.
You exposed your employer to lawsuits, and if I were employing you this would be a route to the exit. You may survive if you agree to take some training and really try to absorb the lessons and change your mindset.
You exposed your employer to lawsuits, and if I were employing you this would be a route to the exit. You may survive if you agree to take some training and really try to absorb the lessons and change your mindset.
Unofficial dress code in place for 5 or so years. Like anything it needs a few reminders here and there. All the new team members knew we had it and applied for the role anyway as they wanted to be in the team.
To further clarify short skirt isn't short as such, more knee length and not the maxi floor hugging stuff you see. That wouldn't be allowed anyway under the official policy. I don't actually get the tape measure out before anyone asks!
I'm not allowed to contact work colleagues (and have not replied to texts) and they are aware they shouldn't contact me but since yesterday;
23 out of 29 team members have expressed support to me via text. I think 3 are on holiday so wouldn't know
I've been told that this morning all the team are dressed as they usually do. Colleague A is wearing a summer dress.
My manager has asked me to help with some work on the quiet. I am doing but suspect I shouldn't
Colleague A has also sent me a pretty lengthy mail to explain that she didn't like the policy but didn't think HR would take it as they have. She hasn't told the Union as previously advised. She has asked HR to forget it but understandably they can't now.
HR are speaking to colleagues today so I guess that will form a view.
To further clarify short skirt isn't short as such, more knee length and not the maxi floor hugging stuff you see. That wouldn't be allowed anyway under the official policy. I don't actually get the tape measure out before anyone asks!
I'm not allowed to contact work colleagues (and have not replied to texts) and they are aware they shouldn't contact me but since yesterday;
23 out of 29 team members have expressed support to me via text. I think 3 are on holiday so wouldn't know
I've been told that this morning all the team are dressed as they usually do. Colleague A is wearing a summer dress.
My manager has asked me to help with some work on the quiet. I am doing but suspect I shouldn't
Colleague A has also sent me a pretty lengthy mail to explain that she didn't like the policy but didn't think HR would take it as they have. She hasn't told the Union as previously advised. She has asked HR to forget it but understandably they can't now.
HR are speaking to colleagues today so I guess that will form a view.
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