JLR vs Permanent
Discussion
I will try keeping this brief as i am still in two minds .
In july i went for a role at JLR (project engineer) ,smashed the interview but my notice period put them off.
A few weeks after i managed to secure a role doing something similar but not for JLR ,lets call it job A.
Now my notice period finishes next week , said manager from JLR has a role for me and it would just be a case of me agreeing a start date as he has already interviewed me.
JLR rate is £17hr + the umbrella/ltd mess that i have been googling for the 90mins.
JLR is also a roughly 105mile round trip.
Job A is 30k permanent with a guaranteed raise at the end of the financial year (so they say) and permanent 12 mile round trip
Both offer the same kind of role , design and project input for vehicles.
A big OEM company is something i always dreamed about getting into. Now to through another curve ball into the mix , the mrs is pregnant so moving and extra expenses are not what i need or can afford right now.
I did agree to ring said manager at JLR this evening and plan on explaining my situation.
In july i went for a role at JLR (project engineer) ,smashed the interview but my notice period put them off.
A few weeks after i managed to secure a role doing something similar but not for JLR ,lets call it job A.
Now my notice period finishes next week , said manager from JLR has a role for me and it would just be a case of me agreeing a start date as he has already interviewed me.
JLR rate is £17hr + the umbrella/ltd mess that i have been googling for the 90mins.
JLR is also a roughly 105mile round trip.
Job A is 30k permanent with a guaranteed raise at the end of the financial year (so they say) and permanent 12 mile round trip
Both offer the same kind of role , design and project input for vehicles.
A big OEM company is something i always dreamed about getting into. Now to through another curve ball into the mix , the mrs is pregnant so moving and extra expenses are not what i need or can afford right now.
I did agree to ring said manager at JLR this evening and plan on explaining my situation.
Edited by pimpchez on Tuesday 7th July 13:23
So roughly £5.5k more for a contract role and that's assuming you don't have a single day off and the journey is 5x as long? I think I'd be going down the permanent route, gain some more experience and then in a couple of years time hopefully something better (and permanent) at JLR will be available if that's where you want to be.
Indeed, contracting is not ideal if your life is about to become less flexible.
Personally I'd go for the salary role. Not to mention the fact that they actaully agreed to wait out your notice period, whereas JLR are just jumping in at the end as they haven't found anything better...
Also, 12 mile commute? Sounds like bliss.
Personally I'd go for the salary role. Not to mention the fact that they actaully agreed to wait out your notice period, whereas JLR are just jumping in at the end as they haven't found anything better...
Also, 12 mile commute? Sounds like bliss.
In view of your wifes 'condition' and the need to move for the JLR job I'd say go for job A.
BUT - You could always use the situation to try and talk JLR to assist with the move or up the money.
Assuming a 40 hour week the £17p/h is only £35,360 PA. Take out the taxes, fuel and depreciation and they won't be much different.
BUT - You could always use the situation to try and talk JLR to assist with the move or up the money.
Assuming a 40 hour week the £17p/h is only £35,360 PA. Take out the taxes, fuel and depreciation and they won't be much different.
As a contractor that's been at it a while, it only makes sense when you earn considerably more than going permanent.
Plus if you're the major bread winner with a baby and home to support it's just way too risky IMHO.
The only reason why I currently contract is the SWMBO can comfortably support us if I'm out of work for a bit.
Job A sounds a bit of a no brainer (parenting and long commutes also don't mix that well)
Plus if you're the major bread winner with a baby and home to support it's just way too risky IMHO.
The only reason why I currently contract is the SWMBO can comfortably support us if I'm out of work for a bit.
Job A sounds a bit of a no brainer (parenting and long commutes also don't mix that well)
Tyre Tread said:
Assuming a 40 hour week the £17p/h is only £35,360 PA. Take out the taxes, fuel and depreciation and they won't be much different.
That's also assuming no holiday is taken. Job A all the way and I think that appears to be the general consensus.Edit - I have a friend who worked there and I'm sure they used to knock off at 1.30 on a Friday. Although in some respects, that is worth a few £K.
Edited by BrabusMog on Tuesday 30th September 16:04
Well it looks like common sense will have to prevail in this instance , i will still ring the manager later on to have a chat and explain myself.
My current commute is 41 miles round and thats bad enough (mentally) even though its less than a hour each way as i leave at 4.
Fuel would be a killer going to JLR at <24mpg(ish) but that is offset by claiming 45p a mile which i do in my current role.
As for the baby condition ,my mrs cant live her of her wage let alone us both so security is important.
I will keep you guys posted , thanks for the input
My current commute is 41 miles round and thats bad enough (mentally) even though its less than a hour each way as i leave at 4.
Fuel would be a killer going to JLR at <24mpg(ish) but that is offset by claiming 45p a mile which i do in my current role.
As for the baby condition ,my mrs cant live her of her wage let alone us both so security is important.
I will keep you guys posted , thanks for the input
pimpchez said:
Just a quick update . Spoke with the manager and explained the role abit more , it would be a great stepping stone in the company working under him ,however i turned him down.
Maybe, but even with all that,It's a contract role, so effectively zero security. All the "stepping stone" stuff is for permy.
It's a (probably) 2 hour longer commute every day, at a time you'll be getting no sleep anyway.
By the time you factor in tax, umbrella fees, longer "working" day, the transport costs of the commute, you would be far worse off.
You did the right thing to turn it down. If Job A turns out to be a disaster, sounds like they would probably take you at JLR anyway, so it's a decent backup plan.
17 an hour is a very, very low rate for contracting.
However once you're at JLR and are on the system/know the ropes, they're desperate for people, so its very secure whilst the goings good...about 5 years ish until the next downturn, historically.
And there is opportunities for progression contracting, there always seem to be positions advertised up to mid-management contracting, at which point you could probably move into a perm position to move higher. Its worth remembering that at the engineering sites it seems almost half the engineers & project managers there are contractors, but most of those on considerably more than 17 an hour...
I've been contracting for the past year, was offered a decent perm role and couldn't find any rational explanation to make the move any time in the next few years.
But then I'm young(ish) and free...
Considering the wage offered and the hourly rate, id go for the perm role though, especially with a shorter commute. However the optimal would be to get a better hourly rate, go contracting and not care about the fuel costs!
However once you're at JLR and are on the system/know the ropes, they're desperate for people, so its very secure whilst the goings good...about 5 years ish until the next downturn, historically.
And there is opportunities for progression contracting, there always seem to be positions advertised up to mid-management contracting, at which point you could probably move into a perm position to move higher. Its worth remembering that at the engineering sites it seems almost half the engineers & project managers there are contractors, but most of those on considerably more than 17 an hour...
I've been contracting for the past year, was offered a decent perm role and couldn't find any rational explanation to make the move any time in the next few years.
But then I'm young(ish) and free...
Considering the wage offered and the hourly rate, id go for the perm role though, especially with a shorter commute. However the optimal would be to get a better hourly rate, go contracting and not care about the fuel costs!
I know you've turned them down, but just in case it's still resting on your mind.
I recently moved from the dealer network (sales management) to the BMW UK. I've taken a bit of a pay cut and a lesser role, although the perks are better.
To me, a couple of years of slightly less money, with the opportunity to work all over the world and ultimately probably better prospects was something I didn't want to miss out on.
I recently moved from the dealer network (sales management) to the BMW UK. I've taken a bit of a pay cut and a lesser role, although the perks are better.
To me, a couple of years of slightly less money, with the opportunity to work all over the world and ultimately probably better prospects was something I didn't want to miss out on.
I worked there recently, a lot of the engineers were contractors.
From what I could work out, £17 is a silly low rate for there, the chaps I worked with were on £25-30.
Considering the current climate and the fact JLR seem to be stable right now it could be worth it. Unlimited overtime, 40 hours a week, very flexible with it too.
A few of the guys squeezed the 40 hours into 4 days so they could either have Friday off or just be getting extra for whatever they did that day...
Then again, new baby on the way etc, permit role all the way!
From what I could work out, £17 is a silly low rate for there, the chaps I worked with were on £25-30.
Considering the current climate and the fact JLR seem to be stable right now it could be worth it. Unlimited overtime, 40 hours a week, very flexible with it too.
A few of the guys squeezed the 40 hours into 4 days so they could either have Friday off or just be getting extra for whatever they did that day...
Then again, new baby on the way etc, permit role all the way!
Twin2 said:
I worked there recently, a lot of the engineers were contractors.
From what I could work out, £17 is a silly low rate for there, the chaps I worked with were on £25-30.
Considering the current climate and the fact JLR seem to be stable right now it could be worth it. Unlimited overtime, 40 hours a week, very flexible with it too.
A few of the guys squeezed the 40 hours into 4 days so they could either have Friday off or just be getting extra for whatever they did that day...
Then again, new baby on the way etc, permit role all the way!
Well being 26 and 3yrs experience industry apparently constitutes as a graduate in their eyes . The recruiter yesterday even had the cheek to say it wouldn't be fair to give me a raise against all the other grads , so stepping straight out of uni with no experience is ok then...From what I could work out, £17 is a silly low rate for there, the chaps I worked with were on £25-30.
Considering the current climate and the fact JLR seem to be stable right now it could be worth it. Unlimited overtime, 40 hours a week, very flexible with it too.
A few of the guys squeezed the 40 hours into 4 days so they could either have Friday off or just be getting extra for whatever they did that day...
Then again, new baby on the way etc, permit role all the way!
Yes the money at £25 a hour would be foolish to turn down even with the mrs condition, but they wouldnt want to give me that so il stick to Job A for a few years and then see and re-evaluate.
pimpchez said:
Well being 26 and 3yrs experience industry apparently constitutes as a graduate in their eyes . The recruiter yesterday even had the cheek to say it wouldn't be fair to give me a raise against all the other grads , so stepping straight out of uni with no experience is ok then...
Yes the money at £25 a hour would be foolish to turn down even with the mrs condition, but they wouldnt want to give me that so il stick to Job A for a few years and then see and re-evaluate.
Thats not the case at all, my first job out of uni (albeit with a fair bit of technician experience) was 25.64 an hour there, I turned down others for 20 and 21. Im now on less for my current contract but still over 20. Yes the money at £25 a hour would be foolish to turn down even with the mrs condition, but they wouldnt want to give me that so il stick to Job A for a few years and then see and re-evaluate.
You would absolutely not be considered a grad contracting at jlr, whichever agency you're going through doesn't sound like they know the company very well.
crosseyedlion said:
pimpchez said:
Well being 26 and 3yrs experience industry apparently constitutes as a graduate in their eyes . The recruiter yesterday even had the cheek to say it wouldn't be fair to give me a raise against all the other grads , so stepping straight out of uni with no experience is ok then...
Yes the money at £25 a hour would be foolish to turn down even with the mrs condition, but they wouldnt want to give me that so il stick to Job A for a few years and then see and re-evaluate.
Thats not the case at all, my first job out of uni (albeit with a fair bit of technician experience) was 25.64 an hour there, I turned down others for 20 and 21. Im now on less for my current contract but still over 20. Yes the money at £25 a hour would be foolish to turn down even with the mrs condition, but they wouldnt want to give me that so il stick to Job A for a few years and then see and re-evaluate.
You would absolutely not be considered a grad contracting at jlr, whichever agency you're going through doesn't sound like they know the company very well.
Hi pimpchez,
Thanks for letting me know – although it is worth noting that £17ph (ltd co) is the set graduate rate within JLR so there would be no room for deviation, at least for the first few months, as this would create a situation whereby some graduates would be getting paid more than others. I hope this makes sense?
If you are certain you wont be coming onboard, it’s not a problem, and I wish you the best of luck in your new position!
I have seen contracts over 20 but they are down in essex , i did mention the wage is low to the manager when we spoke but he didnt say anything about it .
Its strange that they are crying out for people down there but they dont want to pay them , even my current boss said yesterday i have made the right choice as it should be around 200+ a day.
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