"False Accusations" by Management

"False Accusations" by Management

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Jazzy Jefferson

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728 posts

140 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Hi

Thanks for reading.

My supervisor and manager keep saying to me that I have a terrible attitude and that customers and staff are complaining to them about it. I am now being pulled aside for "investigation" meetings.

I don't like to upset people, nor do I go out of my way to, I don't like to get it wrong, and of course don't want to lose my job. So politely I've asked for details on the complaints, so that I can address the matter properly, and of course develop myself so that it doesn't occur again. I am happy to admit, I can make mistakes and I am happy to learn from them.

The problem is, both supervisor and manager have nothing in writing and nothing to substantiate the claims they make. These complaints keep happening, yet for me, I am none the wiser. I never get the impression a colleague or customer is unhappy with me, As no one at the time says anything and some weeks and months can go past without a problem before it's flagged up my management.

Coupled with the fact my manager admits he has nothing in writing from anyone, I am beginning to think that it's not actually true and that I am being "managed" out of the business.

I wont lie, My managers and I do not have the best working relationship, but I get the job done. Whether I'm mates with them or not. It's what I am here for. But I am quite happy to point out when things aren't right. Usually this means going against their decisions.

Any ideas on how to deal with this? "going to the boss or HR department etc" sadly doesn't apply, there is no HR department, I feel my boss will side with the management guys, so there's no one "impartial" here.

I don't plan to stay here, but I'd rather leave on my terms, not theirs. So any advice on how to avoid this is appreciated.

MrLizard

261 posts

182 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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I would immediately start gathering your own evidence of you trying to resolve the matter, further I would email your request to them for details - this will mean (assuming they respond) that they are admitting that the complaints have taken place and that they have failed their own HR procedure.

I would also read the HR/company handbook and maybe like you suggest start looking elsewhere...?

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Jazzy Jefferson said:
I am beginning to think that it's not actually true and that I am being "managed" out of the business.
Because of what you say next, of course they are managing you out of the business. You're a pain.

Jazzy Jefferson said:
But I am quite happy to point out when things aren't right. Usually this means going against their decisions.
That's not your place. If you want to be the boss, that's something you can be. Just not where you work now.

Jazzy Jefferson said:
I don't plan to stay here, but I'd rather leave on my terms.
So quit. Go and be the boss somewhere else.

Jazzy Jefferson

Original Poster:

728 posts

140 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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SpeckledJim said:
Jazzy Jefferson said:
I am beginning to think that it's not actually true and that I am being "managed" out of the business.
Because of what you say next, of course they are managing you out of the business. You're a pain.

Jazzy Jefferson said:
But I am quite happy to point out when things aren't right. Usually this means going against their decisions.
That's not your place. If you want to be the boss, that's something you can be. Just not where you work now.

Jazzy Jefferson said:
I don't plan to stay here, but I'd rather leave on my terms.
So quit. Go and be the boss somewhere else.
I don't want to be the boss. It's why I work for other people? If they ask for an opinion, they get it. It's just sadly not always what they want to hear. No big deal, we move on...

Or, I'm just a pain. Either way, procedure is procedure and I am asking what the best course of action would be. Sadly I cannot quit... not yet.

Either way, the post is about substantiating their claims, or failure to do so. Not whether I am a pain or not. I'll happily admit I am, but in a proactive way. Rather than disruptive.


Edited by Jazzy Jefferson on Monday 20th October 10:43


Edited by Jazzy Jefferson on Monday 20th October 10:45

Jazzy Jefferson

Original Poster:

728 posts

140 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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MrLizard said:
I would immediately start gathering your own evidence of you trying to resolve the matter, further I would email your request to them for details - this will mean (assuming they respond) that they are admitting that the complaints have taken place and that they have failed their own HR procedure.

I would also read the HR/company handbook and maybe like you suggest start looking elsewhere...?
HR/Company handbook!? We don't have one.

I have emailed, in advance of the meeting I had today, to ask for the details. It was ignored, so I went to speak to the manager in person who in no uncertain terms firmly said "go away." so sadly, nothing happening there.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Jazzy Jefferson said:
I don't want to be the boss. It's why I work for other people? If they ask for an opinion, they get it. It's just sadly not always what they want to hear. No big deal, we move on...

Or, I'm just a pain. Either way, procedure is procedure and I am asking what the best course of action would be. Sadly I cannot quit... not yet.

Either way, the post is about substantiating their claims, or failure to do so. Not whether I am a pain or not. I'll happily admit I am, but in a proactive way. Rather than disruptive.


Edited by Jazzy Jefferson on Monday 20th October 10:43


Edited by Jazzy Jefferson on Monday 20th October 10:45
Everybody's job is simple. Make the boss look good. If everyone makes their boss look good, everything else sorts itself out. Approximately.

You clearly don't like your boss, and it seems he doesn't like you. So just find somewhere else, asap.

Jazzy Jefferson

Original Poster:

728 posts

140 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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SpeckledJim said:
Everybody's job is simple. Make the boss look good. If everyone makes their boss look good, everything else sorts itself out. Approximately.

You clearly don't like your boss, and it seems he doesn't like you. So just find somewhere else, asap.
Well I can't disagree with that.

I'm on it... hope to be out in a month tops. Trouble is, I really cannot lose the job between now and then. Just covering my ass man, which I am sure you can understand.

Edited by Jazzy Jefferson on Monday 20th October 10:54

slow_poke

1,855 posts

233 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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OP, are you on the spectrum, by any chance?

Jazzy Jefferson

Original Poster:

728 posts

140 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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slow_poke said:
OP, are you on the spectrum, by any chance?
Perhaps...? I dunno mate, never heard of it? I assume this means no.

Chimune

3,163 posts

222 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Jazzy Jefferson said:
It's why I work for other people?
That isn't a question ?

Magog

2,652 posts

188 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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slow_poke said:
OP, are you on the spectrum, by any chance?
Have to say that given his situation, and posting style, that was my first thought too.

jakewright

93 posts

114 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Why do you think he does not like you? Just a personality clash?

vx220

2,689 posts

233 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Jazzy Jefferson said:
Perhaps...? I dunno mate, never heard of it? I assume this means no.
They mean the autistic spectrum

Nothing to get upset about in most cases, just people who can be brutally honest and lack diplomacy! Asking for guidance is a good idea, unless you've been "brutally honest" one too many times!?

In your position, follow the email up with another, saying you know you can be direct and honest, apologise for any offence caused and repeat that you want some guidance.

Keep copies

Jazzy Jefferson

Original Poster:

728 posts

140 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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vx220 said:
They mean the autistic spectrum

Nothing to get upset about in most cases, just people who can be brutally honest and lack diplomacy! Asking for guidance is a good idea, unless you've been "brutally honest" one too many times!?

In your position, follow the email up with another, saying you know you can be direct and honest, apologise for any offence caused and repeat that you want some guidance.

Keep copies
I did wonder. Interesting point, I'm always honest, and yes, lacking in diplomacy. I hadn't even thought about this but it might explain a thing or two, who knows. Perhaps a little word with my GP is in order?

Fair point on the emails, I'll give it a go tomorrow. I'm thinking explain this is in person rather than email.

Chimune

3,163 posts

222 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Jazzy Jefferson said:
Perhaps a little word with my GP is in order?
This isn't a question either?

vx220

2,689 posts

233 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Chimune said:
This isn't a question either?
You've been helpful twice in this thread, now.

You must be proud!

Sharted

2,615 posts

142 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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vx220 said:
You've been helpful twice in this thread, now.

You must be proud!
Isn't that a question?

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Sharted said:
vx220 said:
You've been helpful twice in this thread, now.

You must be proud!
Isn't that a question?
I think the exclamation mark suggests it's a command.

vx220

2,689 posts

233 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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SpeckledJim said:
I think the exclamation mark suggests it's a command.
Indeed it was.

vx220

2,689 posts

233 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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SpeckledJim said:
I think the exclamation mark suggests it's a command.
Indeed it was.