Project Management & Prince2

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TotalControl

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8,062 posts

198 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Thank you for your honesty NorthDave. You are the first that I have read did not enjoy his PM role. I'm beginning to enjoy the fixing things bit as a hobby again so not sure where I stand.

MadDad: excellent information for me to think about there. Maybe going in as a junior will be the better option with a P2 qualification to give me better chance of progression.

Sidewindow: I have found the same and it is beginning to frustrate. No thread Hijack here, all of this is relevant information.

Replies greatly anticipated.

TotalControl

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8,062 posts

198 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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SW: APMIC looks interesting too.

Sidewindow

300 posts

223 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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TotalControl said:
SW: APMIC looks interesting too.
I found it to be a good generic introduction to project management as a subject, and a solid base to build up knowledge from. I moved straight onto PRINCE2 afterwards which confused me a little due to conflicting terminology etc. APMIC is definitely more straightforward than PRINCE2 which seems clunky and admin heavy..

TotalControl

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8,062 posts

198 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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I think I'll concentrate on the Prince2 for the time being. The cheapest I could find the APMIC was £600 with classroom training.

Edited by TotalControl on Friday 28th November 13:05

johnfm

13,668 posts

250 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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It is a bit of a joke that Prince 2 is such a requirement, yet you can get it in, what, 2 weeks?

Hardly suggests to me that it should be a pre-requisite in order to apply for a PM role.

MadDad

3,835 posts

261 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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Foundation - 3 days!

marctwo

3,666 posts

260 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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I did Foundation in 2 days.

Practitioner was 3 days.

Sidewindow

300 posts

223 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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TotalControl said:
I think I'll concentrate on the Prince2 for the time being. The cheapest I could find the APMIC was £600 with classroom training.

Edited by TotalControl on Friday 28th November 13:05
For APMIC I suggest studying via e-learning as it's quite straightforward, I used Training Bytesize which cost about £450 (www.trainingbytesize.com) including the online exam.

johnfm

13,668 posts

250 months

Saturday 29th November 2014
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marctwo said:
I did Foundation in 2 days.

Practitioner was 3 days.
Well, there you go. What of any real value can be taught in 3 days?

XJSJohn

15,966 posts

219 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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johnfm said:
marctwo said:
I did Foundation in 2 days.

Practitioner was 3 days.
Well, there you go. What of any real value can be taught in 3 days?
how do invoice extortionate amounts wink

hammo19

4,997 posts

196 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Read a couple of books....secure a Project Assistant role. Do the work time. Qualifications are so overrated

Gaspode

4,167 posts

196 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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If you want to get into the business side of IT, you may wish to consider going down the Business Analysis route rather than PM. Just as lucrative (if not more so) than project management.

If you stick with PM, then your first few contracts would be better spent in a PMO role, where you would be able to learn how the progress reporting side works without the pressures a project manager faces. The contract PMs where I work have get a very hard time from the business management if they aren't up to snuff.

TotalControl

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8,062 posts

198 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Well, P2 has been booked now for the 19th. I'm doing the weekend course which is split over 2 weekends. The one after will be held on the 10th of January. First half focuses on foundation and the second half on the practitioner.

Edit - after the Foundation, I'll look to apply for PMO roles. At least then I'll have something to back me up (hopefully when I pass)

Edited by TotalControl on Monday 1st December 15:02

marctwo

3,666 posts

260 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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TotalControl said:
Well, P2 has been booked now for the 19th. I'm doing the weekend course which is split over 2 weekends. The one after will be held on the 10th of January. First half focuses on foundation and the second half on the practitioner.

Edit - after the Foundation, I'll look to apply for PMO roles. At least then I'll have something to back me up (hopefully when I pass)

Edited by TotalControl on Monday 1st December 15:02
As long as you get a decent instructor you'll be fine, good luck.

TotalControl

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8,062 posts

198 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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Thank you M2.

If anyone could guide me on how much studying in hours is required for the foundation and practitioner I'd be grateful?

Podie

46,630 posts

275 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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TotalControl said:
Thank you M2.

If anyone could guide me on how much studying in hours is required for the foundation and practitioner I'd be grateful?
Most things I've read say 35 hours for Foundation and Practitioner training and exam prep.

YMMV, as you're coming into this fairly cold.


marctwo

3,666 posts

260 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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Outside of the course days I did around 3 additional hours for each part (practice exams and pre-reading).

TotalControl

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8,062 posts

198 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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I've booked the next week off for study time as I simply don't get enough time to myself during the weekdays to study. So hopefully it should be sufficient for me. There quite a bit of pre course reading that's required.

PomBstard

6,778 posts

242 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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I've been doing various PM-type roles for about 17/18 years, and have managed service integration, engineering design, new government service implementation, and have recently started running my own show helping others get better at PM. As others have said, experience seems to trump all certs, but getting experience can be a bit tricky.

I started by just helping various PMs, taking on some of their tasks in addition to my own workload, and genuinely being interested. That got me to be one of the Environment Agency's national PMs, running projects under P2, and held me in good stead when I baled from the UK at the age of 30. I've spent the last 9 years working for one of the larger multinational engineering designers, where I volunteered to help train the PMs - I enjoy coaching and mentoring. This led to me helping write the company's internal 2-day training course, based on PMBOK, that all internal PMs and PDs must attend, and which is now the company's global course. The company has around 90,000 employees, so I'm quite chuffed really.

Before anyone points it out, yes training PMs is different to being a PM, but its bloody hard to have the credibility as a trainer if you don't have the track record as a PM.

So, in short, to get started find out who the PMs are and what you can do to help them.

TotalControl

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198 months

Thursday 18th December 2014
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There has been one Junior PM role forwarded to me yesterday to consider. I think I will apply for the role on Sunday after I have completed the first half of the course and received my result for the foundation exam.

Are there any tips that can be provided in regards to short courses and the best way to take in everything being bombarded at you?