Am I being worked illegally?
Discussion
Mr Will said:
My contract says that I am paid £xx,xxx per year, it says nothing about an hourly wage. I'm paid to fulfil a role, not for the number of hours I do or don't spend at my desk. That's what being a salaried employee means.
iirc there has to be a set number of hours in the contract, so no mention of holidays sick pay, time of start and finish per day??, we are party to the European working time directive are we not.The problem in this whole area is that people fail to recognise that there are different people with different circumstances and applying a contract fairly often depends upon that.
A zero hour contract works very well for employers and employees alike when they share the circumstances in which it works. For example, we have an employee whose mother is ill. She doesn't know on any day if or when she will be in for work. So we've designed a role that works and we pay her for the hours she can do.
Now clearly that is good for her, it is also good for us because we've found how it can happen. That's an obvious one, but we have others that also work in ways for both parties.
Now clearly that is great, in other circumstances I am sure that there are people where it doesn't work on both sides. If the employee desperately wants to put the hours in but has no idea whether that will happen - clearly that is not working for both sides.
But you can't dismiss the thing for those it does work just because for others it doesn't.
A zero hour contract works very well for employers and employees alike when they share the circumstances in which it works. For example, we have an employee whose mother is ill. She doesn't know on any day if or when she will be in for work. So we've designed a role that works and we pay her for the hours she can do.
Now clearly that is good for her, it is also good for us because we've found how it can happen. That's an obvious one, but we have others that also work in ways for both parties.
Now clearly that is great, in other circumstances I am sure that there are people where it doesn't work on both sides. If the employee desperately wants to put the hours in but has no idea whether that will happen - clearly that is not working for both sides.
But you can't dismiss the thing for those it does work just because for others it doesn't.
KFC said:
gregf40 said:
Then work somewhere else. No one is forcing you to take the contract. It isn't rocket science.
It's all just part of the world we live in where everyone thinks they are owed a living.
Spoken like a true PH powerfully built company director It's all just part of the world we live in where everyone thinks they are owed a living.
Its easy to say 'work somewhere else' but not so easy to find somewhere else is it ? re people thinking they're owed a living, in a developed western country like UK i certainly don't think its too much for every fit and healthy adult who wants to work, to expect to be able to do so and actually live off the proceeds.
If 'just find another job if you don't like the terms' is fair, then how about national minimum wage ? I assume we should abolish that, and just let people find other better paid jobs if they don't like it ? How do you think that pans out for the guy working in a factory and living in a house with his wife and kid, when it comes to competing with a dozen Lithuanians and Poles living together for 6 months in a 2 bedroom house, whilst repatriating all of their pay cheques ?
The reality is these people need protecting from exploiting. Free market setting the rates and rules isn't going to cut it.
SLCZ3 said:
Mr Will said:
My contract says that I am paid £xx,xxx per year, it says nothing about an hourly wage. I'm paid to fulfil a role, not for the number of hours I do or don't spend at my desk. That's what being a salaried employee means.
iirc there has to be a set number of hours in the contract, so no mention of holidays sick pay, time of start and finish per day??, we are party to the European working time directive are we not.Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff