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Morning guys.
Just been offered a Contract position at JLR on very good money for 18 months. With the possibility of extension.
Anyone from JLR know how likely is an extension or move over to employee would be? Basically I have a staff position at the min, I really want in at JLR but have a house and Mortgage and all that good stuff so want some reassurance if anyone on here has any experience at JLR on this sort of thing?
Cheers
Just been offered a Contract position at JLR on very good money for 18 months. With the possibility of extension.
Anyone from JLR know how likely is an extension or move over to employee would be? Basically I have a staff position at the min, I really want in at JLR but have a house and Mortgage and all that good stuff so want some reassurance if anyone on here has any experience at JLR on this sort of thing?
Cheers
A lot of contractors there (I'm one), and all signs are that contracts get extended, no questions asked, as long as you are capable of doing the job. As for moving to employee, all you can do is keep an eye on the internal job boards/keep an ear to the ground, and go for anything you fancy.
If you're good, you'll have plenty of opportunity once in.
If you prefer salaried, the JLR job site has all the live vacancies at any time.
The new models are coming thick and fast, no sign of layoffs in the foreseeable future, recessions / crunches aside. So if you wanted to stay contracting, and plenty do, it's looking very stable at the moment.
If you prefer salaried, the JLR job site has all the live vacancies at any time.
The new models are coming thick and fast, no sign of layoffs in the foreseeable future, recessions / crunches aside. So if you wanted to stay contracting, and plenty do, it's looking very stable at the moment.
Sorry to hijack the thread OP, but this seems like a good place to ask.
I'm keen to get into JLR too, background is mechanical engineering, but not in the automotive sector, however I have a lot of practical/hobby automotive experience, building a kit a lot of which was re-engineered etc..
Is there any advice on how I might be able to get a foot in the door? I've tried through a couple of people I know but the problem that always comes up is the lack of auto experience on the CV.
Any help would be much appreciated
Ed.
I'm keen to get into JLR too, background is mechanical engineering, but not in the automotive sector, however I have a lot of practical/hobby automotive experience, building a kit a lot of which was re-engineered etc..
Is there any advice on how I might be able to get a foot in the door? I've tried through a couple of people I know but the problem that always comes up is the lack of auto experience on the CV.
Any help would be much appreciated
Ed.
Why do you want to get into JLR?
Right now they pay bottom dollar, which is why they are always looking. I think they will take anyone reasonable, no experience needed (for contracts).
Again, why JLR when Bentley, Lotus (yes lotus are still recruiting), McLaren, BMW and Rolls are all looking for people and all pay much more.
If it's location that's net testing about JLR is interesting, there are lots of automotive their 1's in Coventry and the surrounding areas that again pay more are are always looking for staff. In many cases these their 1's do much more interesting work than oem's
I say this as a guy who has worked for JLR directly and as a Contractor and who's father are sister still work for JLR. Currently I'm working for a tier 1, I find this by far the best option.
Right now they pay bottom dollar, which is why they are always looking. I think they will take anyone reasonable, no experience needed (for contracts).
Again, why JLR when Bentley, Lotus (yes lotus are still recruiting), McLaren, BMW and Rolls are all looking for people and all pay much more.
If it's location that's net testing about JLR is interesting, there are lots of automotive their 1's in Coventry and the surrounding areas that again pay more are are always looking for staff. In many cases these their 1's do much more interesting work than oem's
I say this as a guy who has worked for JLR directly and as a Contractor and who's father are sister still work for JLR. Currently I'm working for a tier 1, I find this by far the best option.
hidetheelephants said:
I just received an email from some agency I signed up to years ago, recruiting contract CAD monkeys for JLR and offering the underwhelming amount of £20/hr. Thanks but no.
The rates are the same now as in 2001. The problem with JLR and other west midlands based automotive contracts, is that the local supply of engineers and technicians who don't really want to travel, don't really want to contract, and are seemingly prepared to accept a s
t hourly rate, must be higher than demand. I can only assume that those people are the fall out of Rovers' death and have been scrapping around for anything they can get ? The fact is that JLR/FORD and RR all have predicted massive skill shortages over the coming years, and the JLR contracts I get sent are the same week in week out, so are they struggling to fill them ? My next contract is more than double that per hour, and I haven't seen a JLR, Ford or MINI contract which had a rate that I would be happy to apply for. I "love" the advert that says it has a competitive rate. I spoke with one RC the other week. I asked them to remind me what competitive was, and then we agreed that competitive meant "not likely to find anyone qualified"
It must be based on the roles and skills required. I've been there a while now, but on the IT side of things, and I'm finding the rates competitive , but I think some of that is the need to pull in skills from the southern market where people are needing to travel up and stay away from home during the week.
But they are now trying to tighten up on the rates being offered.
Can only be positive about the company and projected workload coming up, very busy place with aggressive growth plans over the next 4-5 years. As a Jag man of 25 years and a LR man for the last 3, this can only be good. Boom time for JLR.
But they are now trying to tighten up on the rates being offered.
Can only be positive about the company and projected workload coming up, very busy place with aggressive growth plans over the next 4-5 years. As a Jag man of 25 years and a LR man for the last 3, this can only be good. Boom time for JLR.
The rates are low as the positions are being filled by young, recent grads. To whom £20 is bloody good.
It looks like an IR35 minefield aswell. I have worked there as a proper contractor (i.e. through my employer on outsourced projects). I was treated like a contractor with regard to payment, quotes, training, reviews, expenses yada yada yada.
Other 'contractors' are treated pretty much the same as staff. If I was there as a director of my own Ltd company there is no way I'd claim to be outside of IR35. If HMRC ever bother to investigate they will have a field day IMO!
It looks like an IR35 minefield aswell. I have worked there as a proper contractor (i.e. through my employer on outsourced projects). I was treated like a contractor with regard to payment, quotes, training, reviews, expenses yada yada yada.
Other 'contractors' are treated pretty much the same as staff. If I was there as a director of my own Ltd company there is no way I'd claim to be outside of IR35. If HMRC ever bother to investigate they will have a field day IMO!
blank said:
The rates are low as the positions are being filled by young, recent grads. To whom £20 is bloody good.
It isn't good though; better than the dole or McDonalds for sure, but if that's a typical midlands grad salary things are worse than they were 10-15 years ago. It's not a grad scheme, so there's no career development, variety of roles/experiences or pastoral care to compensate for the money being poor.hidetheelephants said:
blank said:
The rates are low as the positions are being filled by young, recent grads. To whom £20 is bloody good.
It isn't good though; better than the dole or McDonalds for sure, but if that's a typical midlands grad salary things are worse than they were 10-15 years ago. It's not a grad scheme, so there's no career development, variety of roles/experiences or pastoral care to compensate for the money being poor.Unless I'm miles behind the times, which is of course highly likely.
What would you guys expect a new engineering grad to be on?
Super Slo Mo said:
£20 per hour is broadly £40k pa. I'd say that's very good for a recent grad. I'd be happy with that and I left Uni a long time ago. Yes, of course, as a contractor you need more per hour/day/week just to be on a level playing field with a salaried employee, but nevertheless, I don't think it's particularly low. Perhaps by London standards it is though.
Unless I'm miles behind the times, which is of course highly likely.
What would you guys expect a new engineering grad to be on?
When I was there the younger engineers were a mix of contractors and grad scheme chaps.Unless I'm miles behind the times, which is of course highly likely.
What would you guys expect a new engineering grad to be on?
The grad scheme starts at 29k and you're apparently guaranteed 33k by the end of 2 years, at which point you "should" become either a C or D grade depending on your performance.
These guys were aiming for management in 5 or 6 years, get ~50k and a car.
The contractors who were fresh from uni were happy with ~£20/hour, a lot had unlimited overtime so potentially ~£50k there... albeit with no pension or benefits.
A lot of the guys had the opinion that soon the whole management will be MEng grads and the engineering will be almost entirely contractors.
Total loss said:
Liokault said:
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Again, why JLR when .... McLaren,.... are all looking for people and all pay much more.
Really, paying more ? & then when you take into account its location e.g. a lot higher cost of living Again, why JLR when .... McLaren,.... are all looking for people and all pay much more.
Yes Mclaren pay more. I think they are having trouble keeping people. Almost everyone (perms) I worked with when I was contracting there are now working for Rolls.
I've been offered a few contracts there at a ok rate over the last few years, but I just can't stand the idea of the M25 past heathrow that can take me an hour to do 8 miles. MTC is a great place to work though.
hidetheelephants said:
blank said:
The rates are low as the positions are being filled by young, recent grads. To whom £20 is bloody good.
It isn't good though; better than the dole or McDonalds for sure, but if that's a typical midlands grad salary things are worse than they were 10-15 years ago. It's not a grad scheme, so there's no career development, variety of roles/experiences or pastoral care to compensate for the money being poor.You wouldn't have the graduate rotations but many move around anyway. There is also plenty of training for contractors (see IR35 comments above!).
Hi recently retired from JLR, ie today at 6am, so glad i,m out of it as the new year is almost certainly to herald new shift patterns, good luck to anyone who can cope with them, as time went by, i couldnt, otherwise a great place to work. My advice to anyone offered a track job at JLR is look elswhere for a job.
Piersman2 said:
It must be based on the roles and skills required. I've been there a while now, but on the IT side of things, and I'm finding the rates competitive , but I think some of that is the need to pull in skills from the southern market where people are needing to travel up and stay away from home during the week.
But they are now trying to tighten up on the rates being offered.
Can only be positive about the company and projected workload coming up, very busy place with aggressive growth plans over the next 4-5 years. As a Jag man of 25 years and a LR man for the last 3, this can only be good. Boom time for JLR.
Are there only IT contractors at JLR? I havent seen permanant rolesBut they are now trying to tighten up on the rates being offered.
Can only be positive about the company and projected workload coming up, very busy place with aggressive growth plans over the next 4-5 years. As a Jag man of 25 years and a LR man for the last 3, this can only be good. Boom time for JLR.
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