Nepotism and Employment Law

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fvey

Original Poster:

14 posts

108 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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What are collective thoughts on the below please:

- there's a team of three people: Manager X and his two staff
- Employee A is team leader (through quals/experience) but hands in notice
- Employee C is recruited (job advertised)
- Employee B is promoted to Junior Manager (job not advertised) in order to manage C
- the team is now two managers and a newbie

Employee B is the son of the COO, who manages Manager X.

What do you make of it?

bitchstewie

51,210 posts

210 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Off what you've said, I make nothing of it other than who is best qualified for the roles?

fvey

Original Poster:

14 posts

108 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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bhstewie said:
Off what you've said, I make nothing of it other than who is best qualified for the roles?
No way, the son is fking useless.

2 managers in a 3-man team - seriously?

oldcynic

2,166 posts

161 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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So B has more experience of the company and the work, and new recruit C has a job where they didn't before?

If it's proper nepotism then C will up & leave before long; OTOH B might be good at their job.

If you knew your son/daughter was good at a job and you needed that job doing would you look any further?

ETA just seen your response and assume you're C. Time to start jobhunting again and leave them to wreck their own business.

fvey

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14 posts

108 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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I'm not C - but A having quit like a decent bloke has just told me all about it.

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39,891 posts

196 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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fvey said:
No way, the son is fking useless.

2 managers in a 3-man team - seriously?
If the son is genuinely fking useless the person it will impact on the most is the Owner so it will be Karma and Employee A can take solace in this.

OTOH the son may not be as bad as Employee A thinks, in which case the company will be better off because they no longer have to deal with A's resentment.

edc

9,235 posts

251 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Based on what you have written it is hard to see what employment laws or regulations have been broken.

fvey

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108 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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edc said:
Based on what you have written it is hard to see what employment laws or regulations have been broken.
so maybe not then
from the way C tells it, he pointed out he was managing the son and asked for it to change
they didn't change it, so he left
the next week, the bosses son gets C's job, is given a pay hike and a fancy pants manager job title!

If it smells like nepotism and looks like nepotism...

bitchstewie

51,210 posts

210 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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fvey said:
If it smells like nepotism and looks like nepotism...
Maybe it is. Bad judgement isn't illegal though.

Jasandjules

69,892 posts

229 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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So employee is now "supervisor" of new employee. Not the end of the world is it?

fvey

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14 posts

108 months

Sunday 10th May 2015
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no its not - but funny how the only promotion in the biz for the last year has been the bosses son!!

Jasandjules

69,892 posts

229 months

Sunday 10th May 2015
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fvey said:
no its not - but funny how the only promotion in the biz for the last year has been the bosses son!!
Such is the way things go. I know someone working for a family business who has been there 20 odd years, he STILL thinks that one day the reins will be handed to him. I have told him the son will get it..........

johnfm

13,668 posts

250 months

Sunday 10th May 2015
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fvey said:
no its not - but funny how the only promotion in the biz for the last year has been the bosses son!!
Well, you can do that if you own the business.

C.A.R.

3,967 posts

188 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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I recently left due to nepotism.

I stuck it out for 2 years, trying to train the bosses son to basically do my job. Unfortunately, having left school with what I can only assume as little-to-no qualifications and having no idea how to work a computer my efforts were futile. It was like trying to fill a sieve with water - information just wasn't going in.

So I left.

Old contacts and companies love a good story of nepotism, I have learned. Some will no longer deal with my former employers company out of principle - not something I had any intention of doing, but nice all the same!

Nepotism is rife in all industries, and there is nothing illegal about it.

chrisp84

408 posts

213 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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From the other side.....

I started at my dad's business when I was 23 and had little else better to do (I was employed though).

Two things:

1. If you're dad is the business owner and you're the new boy then the pressure on you to do well is immense, both from every other member of staff and your dad. If you do badly then it's dad that will come hardest down on you. He will not want to lose faith from either the staff or customers.

2. Sometimes,as in my case,the relationship between the son and the father is priceless. The way they can communicate about every little bit of the business without any normal working 'constraints' can mean the son really can have a greater insight than anyone else.

Of course if the son turns out to be st and the dad can't see that....


Sir Humphrey

387 posts

123 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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It doesn't sound like they have broken any laws, they are free to run their business how they see fit and there are several reasons why you would want an internal candidate over an external candidate, also depending on the job having one supervisor per employee might be pretty normal.

If the son is as bad as you say then person C might be well advised to take out private redundancy insurance.