Lying On a CV - Peoples/Employers thoughts/experiences
Discussion
NNH said:
I've hired quite a few people for my team in a large UK bank over the last 18 months. We check degree results for everyone I've hired, including some people who graduated over twenty years ago. Any company working in a regulated industry will do the same, as it's just too risky to do otherwise.
A 2:2 won't do wonders for your employability, but it is a good market for jobhunters right now so even if you don't manage to improve your degree you'll have a decent chance if you can show some other evidence of things that employers value such as leadership.
Well I've always worked since 13, but recently left a retail/catering job as a team leader to focus on my exams. I enjoyed and enjoy responsibility, managing etc.A 2:2 won't do wonders for your employability, but it is a good market for jobhunters right now so even if you don't manage to improve your degree you'll have a decent chance if you can show some other evidence of things that employers value such as leadership.
Thanks for the responses guys, just really wanted to get some proper advice from people that have done well. as I stated I'm not going to lie on my CV if I get a 2:2 So be it. I am naturally gifted at geography surprisingly (never got less than 90% in an exam at gcse or A-Level and full marks in all my courseworks (amazing at bulls
tting with regards to rivers and case studies).
I chose law as the employability projects afterwards, and transferable skills afterwards seem to be more important to employers and give me more options after. I did law at A level and did ok but not exceptionally, my final exam let me down and I came out with a B so decided to continue. In hindsight it perhaps may have been better to change but I wanted to 'prove to myself' I could stick it out and do a degree. - sounds silly now but oh well.
I just don't want to end up in a crappy local job at home (Rutland), I'd like to get a decent job/career but appreciate I may need to get some experience under my belt of o get a 2:2.
I now hate law (bores me to tears now). So any advice as to where to go from here would be great. As I said above I have no intention of lying to get into a position just need pointers of where to go next. That said I am planning on doing a ski season this winter (was going to do before uni).
Thanks Chaps for your responses - hope I don't seem too much of a giant dick head 😬
tting with regards to rivers and case studies). I chose law as the employability projects afterwards, and transferable skills afterwards seem to be more important to employers and give me more options after. I did law at A level and did ok but not exceptionally, my final exam let me down and I came out with a B so decided to continue. In hindsight it perhaps may have been better to change but I wanted to 'prove to myself' I could stick it out and do a degree. - sounds silly now but oh well.
I just don't want to end up in a crappy local job at home (Rutland), I'd like to get a decent job/career but appreciate I may need to get some experience under my belt of o get a 2:2.
I now hate law (bores me to tears now). So any advice as to where to go from here would be great. As I said above I have no intention of lying to get into a position just need pointers of where to go next. That said I am planning on doing a ski season this winter (was going to do before uni).
Thanks Chaps for your responses - hope I don't seem too much of a giant dick head 😬
A friend of mine once interviewed someone who said they had a 2:1 is somethingorother from Nottingham University. After a brief chat they got onto the interviewees time at Uni. A good 10 min chat entailed at the end of this my mate stated to the interviewee that he believed that he had never attended Notts Uni and listed the reasons why (all bar one). Interviewee clearly stated he did. My mate then opened the door, and before inviting them to leave again explained why he hadn't gone to Notts Uni but this time added the final reason. Interviewee had not only claimed to be there the same time as the interviewer, but also on the same course
Mate said he was extremely convincing in his story and since then checks all Degree claims prior to interview.
Mate said he was extremely convincing in his story and since then checks all Degree claims prior to interview. mattf93 said:
NNH said:
I've hired quite a few people for my team in a large UK bank over the last 18 months. We check degree results for everyone I've hired, including some people who graduated over twenty years ago. Any company working in a regulated industry will do the same, as it's just too risky to do otherwise.
A 2:2 won't do wonders for your employability, but it is a good market for jobhunters right now so even if you don't manage to improve your degree you'll have a decent chance if you can show some other evidence of things that employers value such as leadership.
Well I've always worked since 13, but recently left a retail/catering job as a team leader to focus on my exams. I enjoyed and enjoy responsibility, managing etc.A 2:2 won't do wonders for your employability, but it is a good market for jobhunters right now so even if you don't manage to improve your degree you'll have a decent chance if you can show some other evidence of things that employers value such as leadership.
My company fired someone who accidentally put that they got a B in GCSE Geography and a C in History instead of the other way round. He was a 42 year old finance dept. manager with two degrees and a bunch of professional qualifications, but they literally fired him from an £80k a year (+ bonus) job for that mistake.
DeuxCentCinq said:
My company fired someone who accidentally put that they got a B in GCSE Geography and a C in History instead of the other way round. He was a 42 year old finance dept. manager with two degrees and a bunch of professional qualifications, but they literally fired him from an £80k a year (+ bonus) job for that mistake.
Surely that's leaving the company liable for an Unfair Dismissal Claim? Especially if it was an honest mistake in his CV? I have no idea of the complete facts but prima facie that's harsh. I guess sometimes life literally will just bite you in the ass if you're not careful!
mattf93 said:
DeuxCentCinq said:
My company fired someone who accidentally put that they got a B in GCSE Geography and a C in History instead of the other way round. He was a 42 year old finance dept. manager with two degrees and a bunch of professional qualifications, but they literally fired him from an £80k a year (+ bonus) job for that mistake.
Surely that's leaving the company liable for an Unfair Dismissal Claim? Especially if it was an honest mistake in his CV? I have no idea of the complete facts but prima facie that's harsh. I guess sometimes life literally will just bite you in the ass if you're not careful!
Matthen said:
Here is a case for you to study:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
WOW. How an earth? I wonder whether he does have a degree and if so from where? http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
He must have earn considerably looking at his previous positions so he couldnt have been bad at his job (even if gained by deception).
You don't become a partner etc by being unskilled or ungifted!
And are there people that actually have that many degrees? Doing one for me is bad/hard enough!
3 oxford degrees? how do people have the time?
I had a discrepancy flagged in my reported A level results quite recently (I hadn't lied - the referencing outfit had made a mistake). It came to light when they contacted my former sixth form who copied me on their response.
This is a standard background check for contractors in one of the banks I've been working with - I'm not even an employee.
A false degree result in finance or law would almost certainly be discovered at some point, and would be career suicide. A compliance manager of all people should know this.
This is a standard background check for contractors in one of the banks I've been working with - I'm not even an employee.
A false degree result in finance or law would almost certainly be discovered at some point, and would be career suicide. A compliance manager of all people should know this.
mattf93 said:
Matthen said:
Here is a case for you to study:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
WOW. How an earth? I wonder whether he does have a degree and if so from where? http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
He must have earn considerably looking at his previous positions so he couldnt have been bad at his job (even if gained by deception).
You don't become a partner etc by being unskilled or ungifted!
And are there people that actually have that many degrees? Doing one for me is bad/hard enough!
3 oxford degrees? how do people have the time?
Don't do it, forever looking over your shoulder and worrying. Knuckle down, work hard and get the results you need.
I know of a few contractors who have done this, even to the extent of lying about qualifications completely!
Its stupid, morally wrong, and downright disrespectful to the people who do put in the effort to get the required grade. Having gone through an engineering degree part time - a 2:1 shouldnt be too much effort to achieve.
I know of a few contractors who have done this, even to the extent of lying about qualifications completely!
Its stupid, morally wrong, and downright disrespectful to the people who do put in the effort to get the required grade. Having gone through an engineering degree part time - a 2:1 shouldnt be too much effort to achieve.
Matthen said:
mattf93 said:
Matthen said:
Here is a case for you to study:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
WOW. How an earth? I wonder whether he does have a degree and if so from where? http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
He must have earn considerably looking at his previous positions so he couldnt have been bad at his job (even if gained by deception).
You don't become a partner etc by being unskilled or ungifted!
And are there people that actually have that many degrees? Doing one for me is bad/hard enough!
3 oxford degrees? how do people have the time?
what I linked to earlier said:
The false claims advanced by him were as follows:-
that he attended Radley College (charge 3);
that he obtained a Bachelor of Laws (First Class) degree from the University of East Anglia (charge 3);
that he obtained a Bachelor of Arts (First Class) degree from Oxford University (Balliol College) (charges 1,2 & 3);
that he obtained a Bachelor of Civil Law (First Class) degree from Oxford University (Balliol College) (charges 1,2 & 3);
that he obtained a Doctorate of Philosophy from Oxford University (Balliol College) (charges 1,2 & 3);
that he had been awarded the Eldon Scholarship by Oxford University (charges 1 & 3);
that he obtained a Masters degree in Law from Harvard University (charge 3);
that he was a member of the New York Bar (charge 1,2 & 3);
that he was a member of the Irish Bar (charges 1,2 & 3).
None of the claims was true. He holds only the one degree from the University of East Anglia and while he had studied at Oxford University for a Doctorate of Philosophy, he had never completed his studies there.
that he attended Radley College (charge 3);
that he obtained a Bachelor of Laws (First Class) degree from the University of East Anglia (charge 3);
that he obtained a Bachelor of Arts (First Class) degree from Oxford University (Balliol College) (charges 1,2 & 3);
that he obtained a Bachelor of Civil Law (First Class) degree from Oxford University (Balliol College) (charges 1,2 & 3);
that he obtained a Doctorate of Philosophy from Oxford University (Balliol College) (charges 1,2 & 3);
that he had been awarded the Eldon Scholarship by Oxford University (charges 1 & 3);
that he obtained a Masters degree in Law from Harvard University (charge 3);
that he was a member of the New York Bar (charge 1,2 & 3);
that he was a member of the Irish Bar (charges 1,2 & 3).
None of the claims was true. He holds only the one degree from the University of East Anglia and while he had studied at Oxford University for a Doctorate of Philosophy, he had never completed his studies there.
DeuxCentCinq said:
My company fired someone who accidentally put that they got a B in GCSE Geography and a C in History instead of the other way round. He was a 42 year old finance dept. manager with two degrees and a bunch of professional qualifications, but they literally fired him from an £80k a year (+ bonus) job for that mistake.
This has got to be a wind up surely?I don't even include my GCSE's on my CV at 34 with 11+ years experience in my job and a degree.
In my field (IT) I don't think I've ever had my degree checked, certainly the smaller companies I worked for never bothered. If you can pass the technical test and the rest of the process you're in.
OP - if the subject bores you to tears then best find something your passionate about and focus on that. If you don't know what that is then go do that ski season or teach scuba diving in Thailand until you've got a better idea.
A 2.2 in law looks better than a first in yank studies so should still open a few doors
NNH said:
mattf93 said:
DeuxCentCinq said:
My company fired someone who accidentally put that they got a B in GCSE Geography and a C in History instead of the other way round. He was a 42 year old finance dept. manager with two degrees and a bunch of professional qualifications, but they literally fired him from an £80k a year (+ bonus) job for that mistake.
Surely that's leaving the company liable for an Unfair Dismissal Claim? Especially if it was an honest mistake in his CV? I have no idea of the complete facts but prima facie that's harsh. I guess sometimes life literally will just bite you in the ass if you're not careful!
mattf93 said:
In 'the real world' do employers actually turn their nose up with people that gain 'just' a 2:2? I should point out I'm doing a Law degree and i absolutely hate it now, not what I set out to feel like but thats ultimately where I'm at.
Any advice would be nice, but try and keep responses pleasant Im just a 'stressed' student looking for answers or advice.
Do you have a good reason to not be getting a 2:1? Any advice would be nice, but try and keep responses pleasant Im just a 'stressed' student looking for answers or advice.
Are you applying for TCs or pupillage?
If you lie and are found out (and you will be) your legal career is over.
Jasandjules said:
Do you have a good reason to not be getting a 2:1?
Are you applying for TCs or pupillage?
If you lie and are found out (and you will be) your legal career is over.
No, not planning on practicing at all. Are you applying for TCs or pupillage?
If you lie and are found out (and you will be) your legal career is over.
And 1) It appears I'm not bright enough
2) Stress/Depression (but stupidly never went to a Dr about it) - So that will have no bearing on my classification.
3) very poor teaching on one module.
4) poor time management at uni.
mattf93 said:
No, not planning on practicing at all.
And 1) It appears I'm not bright enough
2) Stress/Depression (but stupidly never went to a Dr about it) - So that will have no bearing on my classification.
3) very poor teaching on one module.
4) poor time management at uni.
3) has little bearing. Show me a marking ratio that allows one module to significantly influence a degree? Even on a 1:3:5 ratio, it shouldn't.And 1) It appears I'm not bright enough
2) Stress/Depression (but stupidly never went to a Dr about it) - So that will have no bearing on my classification.
3) very poor teaching on one module.
4) poor time management at uni.
Have you considered asking your marks to be sat aside and re-sitting a full year?
Alternatively, do a masters and that will help negate any 2:1 perceptions.
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