Requested HR intervention regarding bullying but now...

Requested HR intervention regarding bullying but now...

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SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

258 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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I think perhaps your boss thought you were potentially laying ground work for a constructive dismissal case, and decided to try to head you off at the pass.

TankRizzo

7,450 posts

198 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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Be very, very careful in this hearing. If I were you then I would eat massive humble pie and say you were trying to propose a better solution for the company, but became flustered and a little defensive when you couldn't get your point across.

If you start arguing or getting shirty in the meeting, it will not go well for you, as you could be looking at gross misconduct depending on your company's rules, and dismissal may follow. Make sure to clarify immediately that you are happy to follow the directors' instructions.

Jasandjules

70,401 posts

234 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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What does the invitation to the meeting say?

whoami

13,154 posts

245 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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Jasandjules said:
What does the invitation to the meeting say?
Dear Tensioner,

welcome to your leaving do.

Countdown

41,450 posts

201 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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Tensioner said:
I'm finding it difficult to convey the situation - it's not exactly a 'he said' 'I said' scenario.

It's the way he expressed himself, and how he hadnled the situation.

I'm sorry I can't convey it any better.
I stand to be corrected but I think, to prove bullying, you would have to demonstrate a pattern of consistent negative behaviour intended to upset/humiliate you. Him telling you to do a certain thing in a certain way doesn't automatically count as bullying. You can suggest how you think something should be done but HE can insist it is done a different way. Equally he's entitled to put you in front of a disciplinary panel for not following a reasonable management request.

Sorry.

TurricanII

1,516 posts

203 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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Tensioner, for future reference read 'How to win friends and influence people' which points out the problems with human nature that lead to this problem. Nobody wins an argument.

If I were you and I cared about doing the job my £0 way then I guess I would have accepted the Director's instructions in front of their peer. I might have later emailed the Director directly (not putting the director on the spot in front of their peer) to ask their opinion about whether this £0 option might be suitable for the business. Finish with 'Please let me know how you want me to proceed'.

Director may well convince himself of the £0 idea and quietly love you for bringing £0 ideas he can take credit for.

Failing that you have a paper trail at the early stage showing your other idea in case someone else kicks off about doing it the expensive way.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

170 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Good luck with the interview today. I hope it all works out well for you.

TankRizzo

7,450 posts

198 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Update?

anonymous-user

59 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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TankRizzo said:
Update?

h0b0

8,008 posts

201 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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OP, the issue is that you have history of questioning decisions from senior people. I appreciate that you think you have the interest of the business as a whole by saving $1000. But, it has cost your company more that that to just have 2 directors and you talk about it. They should be able to just tell you to do something, even if it's not the best option, and you do it. By being involved in this minor BS you are taking them away from making the company successful. I'm sorry to say that your trip to HR will not have done you any favors because your name was already on their watch list to move out of the company.

I have a lot of experience in this area and it shows a lack of trust on both sides. If you want to come out of this with a job (and it may be too late now) tell HR that you want to build a relationship of trust where the director can say he needs something and you will run with it.

PoleDriver

28,743 posts

199 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Tensioner said:
In any case - I will report back on Thursday following my hearing, but I'm not holding my breath for a favourable (for me) outcome!

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

170 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Maybe it was a North Korean firm he worked for?

allergictocheese

1,290 posts

118 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Oh dear, he's been purged.

Company directors really love being questioned by minions and then grassed up to HR when they don't accede.


anonymous-user

59 months

Monday 25th May 2015
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Did the OP really sign up to PH just to ask this?

Looks like he's been straightforward fired now for using t'internet in work time !!!!!!

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

170 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Appears so.

anonymous-user

59 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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I've just PM'd him to ask for an update.

Should one hold one's breath?

Pesty

42,655 posts

261 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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he'll probably report you for bullying

TankRizzo

7,450 posts

198 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Probably a long-termer's throwaway account which he'll never check again.

Pesty

42,655 posts

261 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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TankRizzo said:
Probably a long-termer's throwaway account which he'll never check again.
who posting in his real name now to throw suspicion elsewhere

its you aint it

anonymous-user

59 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Pesty said:
he'll probably report you for bullying
I covered myself with a'please' at the end. I'm not falling for that one smile