The 'No to the EU' campaign

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Ayahuasca

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27,427 posts

278 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Who will lead it and what resources will they have?

The big guns - the PM, the government, the Labour party, the fringe parties (Greens, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, etc) , the CBI, big business, the banks, etc, etc, will be for staying in tne EU.

So who is left to speak for the Independent Britain campaign? Just Farage?

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Not an individual, but doing a good job.

http://businessforbritain.org/

We should get the right deal or get out. The right deal will be virtually impossible.

0000

13,812 posts

190 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Ayahuasca said:
The big guns - the PM, the government, the Labour party, the fringe parties (Greens, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, etc) , the CBI, big business, the banks, etc, etc, will be for staying in tne EU.
That's quite a list of divisive entities to lead a campaign. They're possibly better off without one figurehead.

V8mate

45,899 posts

188 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Listening to the radio this morning, about Cameron's Euro trip today, my concern is that all the 'renegotiation' effort is being put into the headline grabbing 'immigrant stole my benefits' stuff.

Whilst this may, or may not, be an issue, it's a relatively recent one and not one which I think is costing us dear. It's decades of paying into a club in exchange for legislation we don't need (but implement most officiously), which is seriously damaging UK businesses operating solely in the UK.

I'm not strongly in either camp - I probably would be had we joined the Euro - but do worry that this pre-referendum period will be addressing the scare-mongering fluff in order to get a 'Stay in' result, and nothing will really have changed.

Ayahuasca

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27,427 posts

278 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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I hope the question is framed in a similar way to the Scottish one - Do you agree that the UK should be an independent nation?'

Matt Sketch

162 posts

133 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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turbobloke said:
Not an individual, but doing a good job.

http://businessforbritain.org/

We should get the right deal or get out. The right deal will be virtually impossible.
Poor choice of name.
I can't be the only one who reads Business for Britain and instantly draws a parallel to the woefully shambolic SNP mouth piece Business for Scotland.

Hopefully it isn't a sign of things to come

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Matt Sketch said:
turbobloke said:
Not an individual, but doing a good job.

http://businessforbritain.org/

We should get the right deal or get out. The right deal will be virtually impossible.
Poor choice of name.
I can't be the only one who reads Business for Britain and instantly draws a parallel to the woefully shambolic SNP mouth piece Business for Scotland.

Hopefully it isn't a sign of things to come
A tangential slur, not material.


steveatesh

4,893 posts

163 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Ayahuasca said:
Who will lead it and what resources will they have?

The big guns - the PM, the government, the Labour party, the fringe parties (Greens, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, etc) , the CBI, big business, the banks, etc, etc, will be for staying in tne EU.

So who is left to speak for the Independent Britain campaign? Just Farage?
This question was discussed at the EU Referendum site recently by Richard North, if you are not familiar with his blog and are interested in the facts around the EU rather than what the media and politicians and business says, then I'd recommend it to you. UKIP are regularly pulled to pieces for simply not having a clue about how to withdraw from the EU with risks mitigated . His site is an eye opener!

Mr_B

10,480 posts

242 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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No one knows what Dave's ideas on renegotiation are, mainly because he doesn't know and wouldn't say if he did. He is clearly not getting anywhere on immigration that would be meaningful in any way, so won't be setting out anything of worth on this because as we've seen this week, he'll fail spectacularly.
He'll come back waving a bit of paper and saying this is a good deal and what he set out to achieve. At best it would be able to be spun just enough to persuade enough to stay in. At worst it will be near meaningless and simply a minor delay or freeze until a yes vote to their mind gives them the green light to do whatever they like.
The scaremongering from the pro in side is going to be huge, and probably from the same people who did the same when they were very pro the UK joining the Euro and warning of the economic doom and millions of lost jobs that never materialised and who lecture on scaremongering from the likes of Ukip, but who don't mind indulging in their own if it fits their views.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Mr_B said:
The scaremongering from the pro in side is going to be huge, and probably from the same people who did the same when they were very pro the UK joining the Euro and warning of the economic doom and millions of lost jobs...
Spot on. They were wrong then and they are probably wrong now. Probably wrong is good enough to sow the seeds of worry though and that will result in a vote for more of the same. People fear change especially if things are going ok. Look at the rest of Europe... they are like frogs in a pot slowly being boiled alive but too scared to jump.


Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 22 May 23:56

voyds9

8,488 posts

282 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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I prophesy that whatever deal Mr Cameron gets he will claim victory and that we should now vote to stay in.


Beati Dogu

8,862 posts

138 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Mr_B said:
The scaremongering from the pro in side is going to be huge, and probably from the same people who did the same when they were very pro the UK joining the Euro and warning of the economic doom and millions of lost jobs that never materialised and who lecture on scaremongering from the likes of Ukip, but who don't mind indulging in their own if it fits their views.
You mean the CBI. Those clowns are wrong about pretty much everything.

The pro-EU campaign will be massively financed by big business & (illegally) the EU itself, amongst others. In the 1975 referendum it outspent the opposition by something of the order of 14 to 1. If anything they'll beat that this time round.

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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not the bank of england http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32856698 mistake my arse.

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Beati Dogu said:
You mean the CBI. Those clowns are wrong about pretty much everything.

The pro-EU campaign will be massively financed by big business & (illegally) the EU itself, amongst others. In the 1975 referendum it outspent the opposition by something of the order of 14 to 1. If anything they'll beat that this time round.
i would take any statement on the subject from people with links to big business with a pinch of salt ,a few eye openers in here http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/ttip-is-...

Puggit

48,355 posts

247 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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wc98 said:
Beati Dogu said:
You mean the CBI. Those clowns are wrong about pretty much everything.

The pro-EU campaign will be massively financed by big business & (illegally) the EU itself, amongst others. In the 1975 referendum it outspent the opposition by something of the order of 14 to 1. If anything they'll beat that this time round.
i would take any statement on the subject from people with links to big business with a pinch of salt ,a few eye openers in here http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/ttip-is-...
The CBI? Oh, that organisation that is paid over 180k euros every year by the EU...?

https://twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/6017432888...

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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wc98 said:
Beati Dogu said:
You mean the CBI. Those clowns are wrong about pretty much everything.

The pro-EU campaign will be massively financed by big business & (illegally) the EU itself, amongst others. In the 1975 referendum it outspent the opposition by something of the order of 14 to 1. If anything they'll beat that this time round.
i would take any statement on the subject from people with links to big business with a pinch of salt ,a few eye openers in here http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/ttip-is-...
EFA..

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Ayahuasca

Original Poster:

27,427 posts

278 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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wc98 said:
not the bank of england http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32856698 mistake my arse.
The BOE refers to 'economic effects of leaving'

The BBC translates this to 'financial risks of leaving'

A subtle yet significant spin.


Ayahuasca

Original Poster:

27,427 posts

278 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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wc98 said:
not the bank of england http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32856698 mistake my arse.
The BOE refers to 'economic effects of leaving'

The BBC translates this to 'financial risks of leaving'

A subtle yet telling spin.


turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Ayahuasca said:
wc98 said:
not the bank of england http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32856698 mistake my arse.
The BOE refers to 'economic effects of leaving'

The BBC translates this to 'financial risks of leaving'

A subtle yet telling spin.
They're well-versed at it.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Ayahuasca said:
The BOE refers to 'economic effects of leaving'

The BBC translates this to 'financial risks of leaving'

A subtle yet telling spin.
Well really. What a load of old tosh. Is this what you lot are confined to now that the UKIP - The Future thread has died in the womb?
We're in the EU. The BoE would hardly be about to research the economic effects of staying, would they?
rolleyes
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