Disincentive Pay Structure

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GuinnessMK

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221 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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I work for a big organisation, were the pay grades and contracts are well established, however there seems to be a real gap in the system and I can't get my head around it. We are employed at a specific Grade, 1 being at the lowest pay grade, 10 being the highest.

Anyone on a grade 1-5 contract has a fixed number of hours, up to 37, and gets paid overtime if asked to work longer.

Anyone on grades 7 or higher has a contract that says "may be required to work over and above normal contracted hours as appropriate to the needs of the business" or similar wording, and their basic pay reflects this additional commitment.

Anyone on a Grade 6 has a fixed contract, of 37 hours, and a fixed wage. However they are often required to work additional hours to meet the needs of the business. However they don't get overtime or a basic that reflects the additional commitment.

It seems to a disincentive to managers of a certain grade to meet the needs of the business. Obviously the additional hours that people at this grade undertake benefit the business at no cost, so I can see it from their side, but from a staff retention point of view, they can't seem to understand why they have such a high turnover of managers at a certain grade.

So far this year my additional commitment has been 216 hours, which is now feeling like a piss take.




Terminator X

14,921 posts

203 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Leave yes

TX.

tex200

438 posts

170 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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May be a bit late now - but just say no?

edc

9,231 posts

250 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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What does your manager do about it? Have you expressed your concerns?

ikarl

3,730 posts

198 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Do you need to go through grade 6 to get to grade 7?

If so, maybe it's there for a purpose, in that they only want truly committed, hard working people taking the business forward

GT03ROB

13,208 posts

220 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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It's not uncommon in large organisations. Seems to be a perception that once you reach a "manager" grade you do what's necessary & you are no longer on an hourly rate. However it normally goes with a change to the benefits package. In my case where it happened the salary increment was not great, but you did now receive a car allowance & the bonus scheme improved significantly.

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39,690 posts

195 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Central Govt. by any chance? Just that the hours and banding rang a bell.

Sheepshanks

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118 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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GuinnessMK said:
Anyone on a Grade 6 has a fixed contract, of 37 hours, and a fixed wage. However they are often required to work additional hours to meet the needs of the business. However they don't get overtime or a basic that reflects the additional commitment.
That doesn't make sense - either the contract is for fixed hours or as required hours.

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Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Sheepshanks said:
That doesn't make sense - either the contract is for fixed hours or as required hours.
Lots of contracts say this. Generally speaking you're required to be working 37 hours a week but occasionally you will need to work longer (e.g. Out of hours meeting / travel / Month end / Year end). A decent boss should know what hours his staff are putting in and let them take TOIL or pay overtime.