Instant quitting of a job
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TheAngryDog said:
Damn. cant remember what I said now LOL.
You say you work with servers, does that mean you look after data centres? Do you look after a virtual or physical estate?Would you be comfortable upgrading servers or deploying new hosts / guests?
I am just trying to gauge your level of skill, there is a lot of difference to being able to do AD and to manage / upgrade servers and the associated hardware and software that entails.
Do you get involved with the storage for these servers or the backups? I do not mean changing tapes I mean the entire process of backups and restores?
From the software to the amount of storage needed and then the offsite or onsite retention period?
Do you know how to setup a trust relationship between domains?
I have read all your posts about your work and yet I still am unable to determine what you actually do, Sorry for the questions but it will help if we knew more.
Are you in a 3rd party service industry? As in a company that charges by the hour to fix things or even host or deploy for SME that do not have their own IT departments?
Regards
TheAngryDog said:
Hoofy said:
I've quit without having somewhere to go to but I would never just walk out not because of the contract but because I know I'd be letting down and making things difficult for others in the team who I care about.
The guys I work with would think nothing of dropping the rest of us in it.
k 'em, then.TAG - in reading your post I'd suggest you're at least very stressed possibly a bit depressed. Can I suggest a visit to your. GP and get a couple of weeks off. Give you time to recharge a bit, a break away from it all and gives you time for interviews too. If you have to go back hopefully you'll feel a lot more like you can cope with it.
elanfan said:
TAG - in reading your post I'd suggest you're at least very stressed possibly a bit depressed. Can I suggest a visit to your. GP and get a couple of weeks off. Give you time to recharge a bit, a break away from it all and gives you time for interviews too. If you have to go back hopefully you'll feel a lot more like you can cope with it.
Be careful with that... if the interviewer asks around and finds you're currently signed off work with "stress" you're going to find your application instantly binned a lot of the time. I wouldn't hire someone signed off currently, too much risk that they're either generally weak, or just one of the people who know the rules and play the system to their advantage.
elanfan said:
TAG - in reading your post I'd suggest you're at least very stressed possibly a bit depressed. Can I suggest a visit to your. GP and get a couple of weeks off. Give you time to recharge a bit, a break away from it all and gives you time for interviews too. If you have to go back hopefully you'll feel a lot more like you can cope with it.
I've considered the same but, quite frankly, I'd rather not have time off and then have to go back. I'm even put off going on holiday by the way I know I'll feel when I have to go back again after getting used to not being there.KFC said:
I wouldn't hire someone signed off currently, too much risk that they're either generally weak, or just one of the people who know the rules and play the system to their advantage.
That's not necessarily the case. I've stuck it out for almost 18 years. I certainly don't lack staying power or have a will to 'play the system'. There just comes a point for anyone when enough bullst is enough. Unless you're an employer of dubious integrity you're not going to have a problem with a fundamentally good person who collapsed under the weight of the bullst piled onto them by the previous one. That said, I wouldn't have time off with stress for fear of it being held against me by a prospective employer.Edited by MitchT on Saturday 8th August 23:20
MitchT said:
Unless you're an employer of dubious integrity you're not going to have a problem with a fundamentally good person who collapsed under the weight of the bullst piled onto them by the previous one.
As an employer how can I tell though? Maybe someone is like you describe... maybe they're just a chancer who knows full well their doctor will sign them off for stress with no problem and they're using it as extra paid holidays.t piled onto them by the previous one. I think the harsh reality is that without knowing the person in question personally, you can't. And that means you're going to fail the very first sift for a large amount of people.
If finances allowed I think you'd be better off quitting your current job (and giving a decent reason why you did it) than going off with "stress"
KFC said:
MitchT said:
Unless you're an employer of dubious integrity you're not going to have a problem with a fundamentally good person who collapsed under the weight of the bullst piled onto them by the previous one.
As an employer how can I tell though? Maybe someone is like you describe... maybe they're just a chancer who knows full well their doctor will sign them off for stress with no problem and they're using it as extra paid holidays.t piled onto them by the previous one. I think the harsh reality is that without knowing the person in question personally, you can't. And that means you're going to fail the very first sift for a large amount of people.
This may be unfair, but that's the way it is with most employers.
bucksmanuk said:
I'm in Aylesbury too
if you need a pint - just say so
Cheers! Much appreciated. I've sent you a message (hopefully you will received it).if you need a pint - just say so
elanfan said:
TAG - in reading your post I'd suggest you're at least very stressed possibly a bit depressed. Can I suggest a visit to your. GP and get a couple of weeks off. Give you time to recharge a bit, a break away from it all and gives you time for interviews too. If you have to go back hopefully you'll feel a lot more like you can cope with it.
You're right on both counts I think. I have already made an appointment to see my GP, but I have no intention of taking time off, just make things better for myself.Turn7 said:
TheAngryDog said:
Turn7 said:
TheAngryDog said:
Turn7 said:
What part of Bucks are you in ?
Aylesbury. Well centred to get to Herts, Beds etc.KFC said:
elanfan said:
TAG - in reading your post I'd suggest you're at least very stressed possibly a bit depressed. Can I suggest a visit to your. GP and get a couple of weeks off. Give you time to recharge a bit, a break away from it all and gives you time for interviews too. If you have to go back hopefully you'll feel a lot more like you can cope with it.
Be careful with that... if the interviewer asks around and finds you're currently signed off work with "stress" you're going to find your application instantly binned a lot of the time. I wouldn't hire someone signed off currently, too much risk that they're either generally weak, or just one of the people who know the rules and play the system to their advantage.
MitchT said:
I've considered the same but, quite frankly, I'd rather not have time off and then have to go back. I'm even put off going on holiday by the way I know I'll feel when I have to go back again after getting used to not being there.
t is enough. Unless you're an employer of dubious integrity you're not going to have a problem with a fundamentally good person who collapsed under the weight of the bullst piled onto them by the previous one. That said, I wouldn't have time off with stress for fear of it being held against me by a prospective employer.
KFC said:
I wouldn't hire someone signed off currently, too much risk that they're either generally weak, or just one of the people who know the rules and play the system to their advantage.
That's not necessarily the case. I've stuck it out for almost 18 years. I certainly don't lack staying power or have a will to 'play the system'. There just comes a point for anyone when enough bullst is enough. Unless you're an employer of dubious integrity you're not going to have a problem with a fundamentally good person who collapsed under the weight of the bullst piled onto them by the previous one. That said, I wouldn't have time off with stress for fear of it being held against me by a prospective employer.Edited by MitchT on Saturday 8th August 23:20
KFC said:
MitchT said:
Unless you're an employer of dubious integrity you're not going to have a problem with a fundamentally good person who collapsed under the weight of the bullst piled onto them by the previous one.
As an employer how can I tell though? Maybe someone is like you describe... maybe they're just a chancer who knows full well their doctor will sign them off for stress with no problem and they're using it as extra paid holidays.t piled onto them by the previous one. I think the harsh reality is that without knowing the person in question personally, you can't. And that means you're going to fail the very first sift for a large amount of people.
If finances allowed I think you'd be better off quitting your current job (and giving a decent reason why you did it) than going off with "stress"
GT03ROB said:
KFC said:
MitchT said:
Unless you're an employer of dubious integrity you're not going to have a problem with a fundamentally good person who collapsed under the weight of the bullst piled onto them by the previous one.
As an employer how can I tell though? Maybe someone is like you describe... maybe they're just a chancer who knows full well their doctor will sign them off for stress with no problem and they're using it as extra paid holidays.t piled onto them by the previous one. I think the harsh reality is that without knowing the person in question personally, you can't. And that means you're going to fail the very first sift for a large amount of people.
This may be unfair, but that's the way it is with most employers.
I am just going to have to stick it out while I find something new, and hope that it doesnt get to the point of making me even more miserable.
Allanv said:
TheAngryDog said:
Damn. cant remember what I said now LOL.
You say you work with servers, does that mean you look after data centres? Do you look after a virtual or physical estate?Would you be comfortable upgrading servers or deploying new hosts / guests?
Allanv said:
I am just trying to gauge your level of skill, there is a lot of difference to being able to do AD and to manage / upgrade servers and the associated hardware and software that entails.
Of course, and this is why I choose the jobs I apply for carefully as I do not want to talk bullst and then get found to be wanting.Allanv said:
Do you get involved with the storage for these servers or the backups? I do not mean changing tapes I mean the entire process of backups and restores?
From the software to the amount of storage needed and then the offsite or onsite retention period?
Yes, though mainly exposed to one piece of backup software. I havent been involved in setting up the schedule / storage policies, this is all pre-set.From the software to the amount of storage needed and then the offsite or onsite retention period?
Allanv said:
Do you know how to setup a trust relationship between domains?
No.Allanv said:
I have read all your posts about your work and yet I still am unable to determine what you actually do, Sorry for the questions but it will help if we knew more.
Are you in a 3rd party service industry? As in a company that charges by the hour to fix things or even host or deploy for SME that do not have their own IT departments?
Regards
Its fine, the questions are valid. Yes I work for a company providing support to several companies. We are their support desk for servers / hardware. Are you in a 3rd party service industry? As in a company that charges by the hour to fix things or even host or deploy for SME that do not have their own IT departments?
Regards
This is the crux of the problem. While I do a job, I havent been given the opportunity to really get into the job. All of the main jobs are done by others and the part of the team I work in get the lesser jobs.
It is also why I am prepared to take a lesser job to get to the point where I can acquire the necessary skills.
Edited by TheAngryDog on Sunday 9th August 18:06
TheAngryDog said:
Its fine, the questions are valid. Yes I work for a company providing support to several companies. We are their support desk for servers / hardware.
This is the crux of the problem. While I do a job, I havent been given the opportunity to really get into the job. All of the main jobs are done by others and the part of the team I work in get the lesser jobs.
It is also why I am prepared to take a lesser job to get to the point where I can acquire the necessary skills.
Thank you,This is the crux of the problem. While I do a job, I havent been given the opportunity to really get into the job. All of the main jobs are done by others and the part of the team I work in get the lesser jobs.
It is also why I am prepared to take a lesser job to get to the point where I can acquire the necessary skills.
Edited by TheAngryDog on Sunday 9th August 18:06
I see you are 2nd line in reality But correct me if I am wrong, I also see you are angry in the environment you are in. Not surprising if you are asked to do something you are not comfortable with.
You are also negative in your job and to be honest contracting will not suit you. (I picked this up from previous posts)
I do not think you are depressed just frustrated as you have been put in a position that you as a professional cannot fulfill am I on the mark or not?
I am happy to take a look at your CV or linkedin profile and assist if I can.
Sorry for the hard line questions.
TheAngryDog said:
Has anyone ever got to a point of enough is enough, and just quit on the spot?
I am trying to hold out for a new job, I've been applying left right and centre, but nothing is forth coming. My job is affecting my mental well being, my home life and my relationship. I know it's not ideal to leave on the spot, and I know it's not ideal to leave without a job to go to, but at the moment, both of those options are very, very tempting.
Has anyone got to that point and just gone enough is enough and quit?
I did this back in March. I was in the job for 6 weeks. I wasn't interested in it and it was not what I thought it was. I found it a struggle to get of bed for. The people I worked with were nice enough but the person meant to be training me wasn't very good at her job. I had been thinking of leaving after a week but held onto it for a bit longer. I was booked in for an early progress meeting with the two people that recruited me and it would not of went well. I just sent them a resignation email on the Thursday night and never bothered showing up. Got a letter saying they had accepted my resignation and they paid me the money I was owed. Was the best thing at the time I could of done. I am trying to hold out for a new job, I've been applying left right and centre, but nothing is forth coming. My job is affecting my mental well being, my home life and my relationship. I know it's not ideal to leave on the spot, and I know it's not ideal to leave without a job to go to, but at the moment, both of those options are very, very tempting.
Has anyone got to that point and just gone enough is enough and quit?
Fast forward 5 months since I did it. I have just finished working for a car auction company that I started with at the end of March. I have a job offer on the table and waiting to hear back from two more which went well. One thing I would say to you is the job market is very competitive at the moment and a lot of the jobs uploaded aren't very good.
It was a good move looking back now but I did kind of feel that I had thrown away a secure job with a good company. I only did it because I could afford to do it and I am still young.
Allanv said:
TheAngryDog said:
Its fine, the questions are valid. Yes I work for a company providing support to several companies. We are their support desk for servers / hardware.
This is the crux of the problem. While I do a job, I havent been given the opportunity to really get into the job. All of the main jobs are done by others and the part of the team I work in get the lesser jobs.
It is also why I am prepared to take a lesser job to get to the point where I can acquire the necessary skills.
Thank you,This is the crux of the problem. While I do a job, I havent been given the opportunity to really get into the job. All of the main jobs are done by others and the part of the team I work in get the lesser jobs.
It is also why I am prepared to take a lesser job to get to the point where I can acquire the necessary skills.
Edited by TheAngryDog on Sunday 9th August 18:06
I see you are 2nd line in reality But correct me if I am wrong, I also see you are angry in the environment you are in. Not surprising if you are asked to do something you are not comfortable with.
You are also negative in your job and to be honest contracting will not suit you. (I picked this up from previous posts)
I do not think you are depressed just frustrated as you have been put in a position that you as a professional cannot fulfill am I on the mark or not?
I am happy to take a look at your CV or linkedin profile and assist if I can.
Sorry for the hard line questions.
I want to do a good job, I always have, and I am happy working when I am given the tools to do. I still get that sense of achievement when I do something and I still care. If I didn't then I'd simply down tools. I am definitely miserable!
My linkedin profile is pretty rubbish. There are so many guides on how to make a good profile, but they all seem to contradict each other. It is something I need to work on. Thanks.
Studio117 said:
Perhaps your being hard on yourself op? There's always going to be elements of new roles that you won't have had exposure to. It's expected.
I don't think I am being too hard on myself. Or I am? Tbh I don't know. Probably not. I interviewed for a job and found I was massively under skilled for it, and I've had no further exposure to the systems / processes that they asked me about in my interview.wolf1 said:
TheAngryDog said:
It's made me a wreck.
Just leave. Forget all the bullst excuses that others trot out about planning this that and the other. Walk away, get better and move on.BongoHunter said:
If your any good with Nagios or have Monitoring Experience PM me.
If you dont have the above but would consider yourself a dab hand at linux sysadmin PM me anyway
Sent you a PM.If you dont have the above but would consider yourself a dab hand at linux sysadmin PM me anyway
colinjy said:
TAG,
take a look at Milton park job board
Also do you have an up to date CV ?
I've never hard of Milton Park - I'm looking at their site now mind! Yes I do have an up to date CV.take a look at Milton park job board
Also do you have an up to date CV ?
Edited by colinjy on Tuesday 11th August 15:05
Edited by colinjy on Tuesday 11th August 15:18
UK345 said:
I did this back in March. I was in the job for 6 weeks. I wasn't interested in it and it was not what I thought it was. I found it a struggle to get of bed for. The people I worked with were nice enough but the person meant to be training me wasn't very good at her job. I had been thinking of leaving after a week but held onto it for a bit longer. I was booked in for an early progress meeting with the two people that recruited me and it would not of went well. I just sent them a resignation email on the Thursday night and never bothered showing up. Got a letter saying they had accepted my resignation and they paid me the money I was owed. Was the best thing at the time I could of done.
Fast forward 5 months since I did it. I have just finished working for a car auction company that I started with at the end of March. I have a job offer on the table and waiting to hear back from two more which went well. One thing I would say to you is the job market is very competitive at the moment and a lot of the jobs uploaded aren't very good.
It was a good move looking back now but I did kind of feel that I had thrown away a secure job with a good company. I only did it because I could afford to do it and I am still young.
I am glad it worked out for you. I was actually reading your post in this sub forum earlier. Long may it continue!Fast forward 5 months since I did it. I have just finished working for a car auction company that I started with at the end of March. I have a job offer on the table and waiting to hear back from two more which went well. One thing I would say to you is the job market is very competitive at the moment and a lot of the jobs uploaded aren't very good.
It was a good move looking back now but I did kind of feel that I had thrown away a secure job with a good company. I only did it because I could afford to do it and I am still young.
Is IT really for you? Is private company second line support really for you? If you're finding that your current job hasnt developed your skills to the standard that current jobs need, then you've been held back
I left a job with nothing to go to, the hardest bit was asking them to pay the $1000 for the flight back home that I needed, so I had to keep a measure on the amount of flounce I was using. It hurt me financially, but money comes and goes and I picked something up within a few weeks. I'd just got to the point where I couldnt take it any more, the job drained me, cost me a relationship, I didnt really have a body clock and I wondered if they doubled the money, would it make it more bearable. When I decided that it wasnt a money thing I walked. I thought about moving away from IT (I'm a sales guy) but then found I'd worked myself into a corner over the past 12 years so other areas of IT sales didnt really want to take me on.
One of my buddies who I worked with a couple of years ago moved on to an outsourcer and then into the local Council. He loves the Council, he was doing general tech stuff, building servers, deploying them, bit of desktop work, some montoring and patching etc, but in the local council he looks after the vehicle tracking of the fleets. Still in 'tech' but doesnt have to speak with people who dont know what it is that he's working on (everyone he deals with knows the jargon and the problems), has a great bunch around him, and he walks to work, instead of doing an hours commuting out of his own pocket
There could be options that you've not considered because you're looking for 'same as this but better'
I left a job with nothing to go to, the hardest bit was asking them to pay the $1000 for the flight back home that I needed, so I had to keep a measure on the amount of flounce I was using. It hurt me financially, but money comes and goes and I picked something up within a few weeks. I'd just got to the point where I couldnt take it any more, the job drained me, cost me a relationship, I didnt really have a body clock and I wondered if they doubled the money, would it make it more bearable. When I decided that it wasnt a money thing I walked. I thought about moving away from IT (I'm a sales guy) but then found I'd worked myself into a corner over the past 12 years so other areas of IT sales didnt really want to take me on.
One of my buddies who I worked with a couple of years ago moved on to an outsourcer and then into the local Council. He loves the Council, he was doing general tech stuff, building servers, deploying them, bit of desktop work, some montoring and patching etc, but in the local council he looks after the vehicle tracking of the fleets. Still in 'tech' but doesnt have to speak with people who dont know what it is that he's working on (everyone he deals with knows the jargon and the problems), has a great bunch around him, and he walks to work, instead of doing an hours commuting out of his own pocket
There could be options that you've not considered because you're looking for 'same as this but better'
andy-xr said:
Is IT really for you? Is private company second line support really for you? If you're finding that your current job hasnt developed your skills to the standard that current jobs need, then you've been held back
I left a job with nothing to go to, the hardest bit was asking them to pay the $1000 for the flight back home that I needed, so I had to keep a measure on the amount of flounce I was using. It hurt me financially, but money comes and goes and I picked something up within a few weeks. I'd just got to the point where I couldnt take it any more, the job drained me, cost me a relationship, I didnt really have a body clock and I wondered if they doubled the money, would it make it more bearable. When I decided that it wasnt a money thing I walked. I thought about moving away from IT (I'm a sales guy) but then found I'd worked myself into a corner over the past 12 years so other areas of IT sales didnt really want to take me on.
One of my buddies who I worked with a couple of years ago moved on to an outsourcer and then into the local Council. He loves the Council, he was doing general tech stuff, building servers, deploying them, bit of desktop work, some montoring and patching etc, but in the local council he looks after the vehicle tracking of the fleets. Still in 'tech' but doesnt have to speak with people who dont know what it is that he's working on (everyone he deals with knows the jargon and the problems), has a great bunch around him, and he walks to work, instead of doing an hours commuting out of his own pocket
There could be options that you've not considered because you're looking for 'same as this but better'
I guess the thing is, I do not know what else I would or could do. I do not hate working with computers, I just want to enjoy it more and have a support network around me that does not set me up to fail. I left a job with nothing to go to, the hardest bit was asking them to pay the $1000 for the flight back home that I needed, so I had to keep a measure on the amount of flounce I was using. It hurt me financially, but money comes and goes and I picked something up within a few weeks. I'd just got to the point where I couldnt take it any more, the job drained me, cost me a relationship, I didnt really have a body clock and I wondered if they doubled the money, would it make it more bearable. When I decided that it wasnt a money thing I walked. I thought about moving away from IT (I'm a sales guy) but then found I'd worked myself into a corner over the past 12 years so other areas of IT sales didnt really want to take me on.
One of my buddies who I worked with a couple of years ago moved on to an outsourcer and then into the local Council. He loves the Council, he was doing general tech stuff, building servers, deploying them, bit of desktop work, some montoring and patching etc, but in the local council he looks after the vehicle tracking of the fleets. Still in 'tech' but doesnt have to speak with people who dont know what it is that he's working on (everyone he deals with knows the jargon and the problems), has a great bunch around him, and he walks to work, instead of doing an hours commuting out of his own pocket
There could be options that you've not considered because you're looking for 'same as this but better'
I am currently doing an on-line IT course to further my skill set so that I can become more employable elsewhere by quantifying my current skills and improve them.
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