Potential notice of redundancy being issued tomorrow.
Discussion
I would ask in the meeting, as someone else suggested, whether it will be possible to leave earlier with a severance package or whether you have to stay right until the end.
I was made redundant from a Bank in 2005, a long time ago I do appreciate. This was after 15 years' service.
We were needed right up until the end and, therefore, the (very generous) package went beyond simple redundancy money. We were also given job-finding skills (no rocket science there). More usefully, we were allocated a training fund which we could use to book professional training courses - this might be something worth gently suggesting to your employer?
Gardening leave is another useful add-on, more money obviously and the time to find a job without the pressure of bills building up.
If you don't ask, you don't get, so I would put these forward if I was in your position.
On a positive note - redundancy was one of the best things to happen to me, I didn't know that at the time of course :-)
I was made redundant from a Bank in 2005, a long time ago I do appreciate. This was after 15 years' service.
We were needed right up until the end and, therefore, the (very generous) package went beyond simple redundancy money. We were also given job-finding skills (no rocket science there). More usefully, we were allocated a training fund which we could use to book professional training courses - this might be something worth gently suggesting to your employer?
Gardening leave is another useful add-on, more money obviously and the time to find a job without the pressure of bills building up.
If you don't ask, you don't get, so I would put these forward if I was in your position.
On a positive note - redundancy was one of the best things to happen to me, I didn't know that at the time of course :-)
I took VR last year (almost exactly 12 months ago) and have to say LHH did some excellent off-boarding training so if you go ask for some proper career management training.
I know it is different, but I was actually expecting to be made redundant Christmas 2014, and after looking around decided it was a good thing, then they kept me.
Leaving was one of the best career moves I ever made, joining the company 11 years previous was another one. Embrace the change!
I know it is different, but I was actually expecting to be made redundant Christmas 2014, and after looking around decided it was a good thing, then they kept me.
Leaving was one of the best career moves I ever made, joining the company 11 years previous was another one. Embrace the change!
Thanks everyone, still chewing things over. I think I will get the bank to pay for my testing exams and build up my experience as much as possible until June. There are a number of business systems analysis roles going which I will go for,again to get experience and to add to my cv.
Didn't do much work today so need to concentrate tomorrow.
Didn't do much work today so need to concentrate tomorrow.
Thought I should give an update to this as there was lots of helpful advice and it may be helpful to others as well.
So I 'applied' or should I say, expressed an interest for one of the roles that were being offered.
My line manager and my new line manager strongly suggested that I got for that role as well. It turns out that HR and management had already earmarked us for our roles. Quite what the reason therefore for putting us through the mill a bit I do not know. I guess it us some type of legal reasoning for it.
Anyways, I got the bank to pay for my exam and I passed that.
So I started my new role, BSA in Jan, lots to learn and a bit overwhelming at times but I am getting lots of help and I have a very supportive manager who is mentoring me.
However, the whole situation of possible redundancy, meetings and the worry made me feel rather ill! Luckily I have been at my employer for 13 years so that would make things easier, but it wasn't a particularly nice time.
So I appear to have come out the other end all ok.
Thanks for all the advice.
So I 'applied' or should I say, expressed an interest for one of the roles that were being offered.
My line manager and my new line manager strongly suggested that I got for that role as well. It turns out that HR and management had already earmarked us for our roles. Quite what the reason therefore for putting us through the mill a bit I do not know. I guess it us some type of legal reasoning for it.
Anyways, I got the bank to pay for my exam and I passed that.
So I started my new role, BSA in Jan, lots to learn and a bit overwhelming at times but I am getting lots of help and I have a very supportive manager who is mentoring me.
However, the whole situation of possible redundancy, meetings and the worry made me feel rather ill! Luckily I have been at my employer for 13 years so that would make things easier, but it wasn't a particularly nice time.
So I appear to have come out the other end all ok.
Thanks for all the advice.
Well a couple of months in and I think I am struggling.
I think I am just not intelligent enough! The methods, terminology is just too confusing, I know how to talk to a developer to tell them what the business want, I can understand what the business want, but there is so much stuff inbetween in is baffling.
Although I feel I have got a supportive manager it can only go so far, I don't want to keep asking questions and make myself look like a idiot,
Plus my colleague who is meant to be mentoring me is leaving in three weeks and no replacement is lined up and that terrifies me quite frankly. i guess this is just a vent but I feel sick to my stomach when I am sat at my desk and I don't know if what I am doing is right.
Perhaps I am being hard on myself I don't know!
I think I am just not intelligent enough! The methods, terminology is just too confusing, I know how to talk to a developer to tell them what the business want, I can understand what the business want, but there is so much stuff inbetween in is baffling.
Although I feel I have got a supportive manager it can only go so far, I don't want to keep asking questions and make myself look like a idiot,
Plus my colleague who is meant to be mentoring me is leaving in three weeks and no replacement is lined up and that terrifies me quite frankly. i guess this is just a vent but I feel sick to my stomach when I am sat at my desk and I don't know if what I am doing is right.
Perhaps I am being hard on myself I don't know!
eric twinge said:
Well a couple of months in and I think I am struggling.
I think I am just not intelligent enough! The methods, terminology is just too confusing, I know how to talk to a developer to tell them what the business want, I can understand what the business want, but there is so much stuff inbetween in is baffling.
Although I feel I have got a supportive manager it can only go so far, I don't want to keep asking questions and make myself look like a idiot,
Plus my colleague who is meant to be mentoring me is leaving in three weeks and no replacement is lined up and that terrifies me quite frankly. i guess this is just a vent but I feel sick to my stomach when I am sat at my desk and I don't know if what I am doing is right.
Perhaps I am being hard on myself I don't know!
Without going into the actual details (confidential stuff), what is it that baffling?I think I am just not intelligent enough! The methods, terminology is just too confusing, I know how to talk to a developer to tell them what the business want, I can understand what the business want, but there is so much stuff inbetween in is baffling.
Although I feel I have got a supportive manager it can only go so far, I don't want to keep asking questions and make myself look like a idiot,
Plus my colleague who is meant to be mentoring me is leaving in three weeks and no replacement is lined up and that terrifies me quite frankly. i guess this is just a vent but I feel sick to my stomach when I am sat at my desk and I don't know if what I am doing is right.
Perhaps I am being hard on myself I don't know!
What are the areas that you find difficult and people on here will assist you... I don't do BA work and yet I'm now on a mission critical piece of work baby sitting a person who doesnt know what BA stands for. I have 75% more work than the rest of the staff and I have this non BA on the team that I have to leave for 75% of the time to do the important work and hope that after the third talking to the guy stops sitting there staring into nothingness and does work.
We had one task yesterday, to put up all the estimates for the work, I explained he would need to do most of the estimates himself (9 out of 140 the rest are doing) as I was in 6 hours of meetings, there are 6 other BAs (doing the other 131 tasks)... senior and junior in the room he's in, they are there to help in any questions (stupid, etc as he's helping out)... to help him work out estimates by 6pm.
I come back at 5:30pm after sorting out other aspects of the project that are critical... first thing... can he give me an update on the estimates for our group as they are needed in 30mins...
'Oh... I haven't done them as I don't know how or what to do'
ok me thinks... has he sorted out a meeting in the morning to introduce himself to the SME for a general chat...
'No... as Im out tonight, I don't want to commit to anything in case I need to talk to him in the evening'
I have to leave the room for 5 minutes. WTF... so he's done no work all day, has not organised a meeting with the Stakeholder... has decided to read the documents that we have had for 2 months (and should have familiarised ourself with) as he's a bit unsure...
When he's gone, I ask the BAs what is going on... apparently he has ignored all advice and decided to do the BA work his own way and will update on estimates and make contact on Monday.
I overrule that crap and spend the next hour sorting the estimates and meetings for 10am as its completely ridiculous as to what he is doing.... 6 f
king BAs and him the non BA decides he knows better how to do BA work then 50+ years collective experience.We clash like a married couple, but I refuse to let anyone in the team get stuck with him as its unfair.. I can cope as he always backs down when I explain why his way just won't cut it and we don't have the luxury of time to piss about reading (thats something to do on an evening if you haven't done it) and if he doesnt pull his wait he will be going home shortly.
So trust me it can be a whole lot worse... but don't do what this guy is doing, ask for advice here and trust it... otherwise people will notice.
eric twinge said:
Well a couple of months in and I think I am struggling.
I think I am just not intelligent enough! The methods, terminology is just too confusing, I know how to talk to a developer to tell them what the business want, I can understand what the business want, but there is so much stuff inbetween in is baffling.
Although I feel I have got a supportive manager it can only go so far, I don't want to keep asking questions and make myself look like a idiot,
Plus my colleague who is meant to be mentoring me is leaving in three weeks and no replacement is lined up and that terrifies me quite frankly. i guess this is just a vent but I feel sick to my stomach when I am sat at my desk and I don't know if what I am doing is right.
Perhaps I am being hard on myself I don't know!
Will background reading on the subjects help? I find reading news/articles/reddit/etc around the subjecy helps alotI think I am just not intelligent enough! The methods, terminology is just too confusing, I know how to talk to a developer to tell them what the business want, I can understand what the business want, but there is so much stuff inbetween in is baffling.
Although I feel I have got a supportive manager it can only go so far, I don't want to keep asking questions and make myself look like a idiot,
Plus my colleague who is meant to be mentoring me is leaving in three weeks and no replacement is lined up and that terrifies me quite frankly. i guess this is just a vent but I feel sick to my stomach when I am sat at my desk and I don't know if what I am doing is right.
Perhaps I am being hard on myself I don't know!
cat with a hat said:
eric twinge said:
Well a couple of months in and I think I am struggling.
I think I am just not intelligent enough! The methods, terminology is just too confusing, I know how to talk to a developer to tell them what the business want, I can understand what the business want, but there is so much stuff inbetween in is baffling.
Although I feel I have got a supportive manager it can only go so far, I don't want to keep asking questions and make myself look like a idiot,
Plus my colleague who is meant to be mentoring me is leaving in three weeks and no replacement is lined up and that terrifies me quite frankly. i guess this is just a vent but I feel sick to my stomach when I am sat at my desk and I don't know if what I am doing is right.
Perhaps I am being hard on myself I don't know!
Will background reading on the subjects help? I find reading news/articles/reddit/etc around the subjecy helps alotI think I am just not intelligent enough! The methods, terminology is just too confusing, I know how to talk to a developer to tell them what the business want, I can understand what the business want, but there is so much stuff inbetween in is baffling.
Although I feel I have got a supportive manager it can only go so far, I don't want to keep asking questions and make myself look like a idiot,
Plus my colleague who is meant to be mentoring me is leaving in three weeks and no replacement is lined up and that terrifies me quite frankly. i guess this is just a vent but I feel sick to my stomach when I am sat at my desk and I don't know if what I am doing is right.
Perhaps I am being hard on myself I don't know!
Get a few books, bone up in your spare time, the best people I work with all do that, even now when they're cemented in their positions.
My brother thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread but he's 27, has bounced from job to job and still lives with my parents. My sister thinks she isn't good enough but she is a very successful Account Director at 34. The rather convoluted point I am trying to make is that it's fine and healthy to have doubts, but try and do something about them rather than just let them worry you
Thanks for your words everyone. had a better day Friday, managed to progress some more on some use cases only for the business to change their mind on what it was they wanted! So that looks like we will have to start again. There is a lot of on line resources that I can refer too, i just need to knuckle down.
I think it is a lot of the technical documentation I need to produce, data elements, use cases, process maps, how they all tie up and who wants what and when.
This is a great opportunity for me really so I must grab it and give it a damn good go and not get to worried about whether I can do it, ask questions if I need to, read up, listen to other conversations in the office and generally be a nosey Parker. I do work with a good team who have plenty of experience and are happy to help.
Perhaps I was just feeling a bit sorry for myself but I would rather that than not continually questioning myself and not want to learn.
I think it is a self confidence thing really which I have always suffered from.
Thanks for all that everyone has contributed, I will update as I go on as I find it thereputic to update my thoughts.
Cheers all.
I think it is a lot of the technical documentation I need to produce, data elements, use cases, process maps, how they all tie up and who wants what and when.
This is a great opportunity for me really so I must grab it and give it a damn good go and not get to worried about whether I can do it, ask questions if I need to, read up, listen to other conversations in the office and generally be a nosey Parker. I do work with a good team who have plenty of experience and are happy to help.
Perhaps I was just feeling a bit sorry for myself but I would rather that than not continually questioning myself and not want to learn.
I think it is a self confidence thing really which I have always suffered from.
Thanks for all that everyone has contributed, I will update as I go on as I find it thereputic to update my thoughts.
Cheers all.
Not that the opinion of an internet stranger means that much, but you sound like you've got your head screwed on.
It also sounds like you've got a great opportunity in this role, so work hard now for a few years and let things slip into place for you.
Everyone has those stty days at work where they come away thinking "did I actually add any value today?" Unless you're a business owner etc it's natural and healthy to feel like that IMO. It's the people that think they've got it cracked that usually are the useless ones, apart from in sales roles, where that's the attitude you want.
It also sounds like you've got a great opportunity in this role, so work hard now for a few years and let things slip into place for you.
Everyone has those s
tty days at work where they come away thinking "did I actually add any value today?" Unless you're a business owner etc it's natural and healthy to feel like that IMO. It's the people that think they've got it cracked that usually are the useless ones, apart from in sales roles, where that's the attitude you want.Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff