Requesting More Than The Advertised Salary?
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Good Evening
I would appreciate some views on this situation.
Basically I have seen a job advertised on a popular job board with the salary listed as £19-£20k. There is no saying I would even get an interview let alone the job. The job looks extremely interesting and I feel I am well qualified for the role and it should head me in the direction that I want to go in. The job is a fleet re-marketing assistant, so helping the disposal manager dispose of end of life lease vehicles.
My previous work experience/achievements are: Qualified Mechanic, Car Salesman, and Working at a Car Auction (so the other side of vehicle re-marketing) and also a Degree.
Now my dilemma is to be able to move into this role I would need £22k - £23k, the job is a longer commute and I get a company car with my current job.
What is the situation with people requesting more than the salary advertised, is it a done thing? Is £3,000 PA a lot for a company? as it would make all the difference to me.
any views would be appreciated, especially from recruitment consultants, company directors etc.
I would appreciate some views on this situation.
Basically I have seen a job advertised on a popular job board with the salary listed as £19-£20k. There is no saying I would even get an interview let alone the job. The job looks extremely interesting and I feel I am well qualified for the role and it should head me in the direction that I want to go in. The job is a fleet re-marketing assistant, so helping the disposal manager dispose of end of life lease vehicles.
My previous work experience/achievements are: Qualified Mechanic, Car Salesman, and Working at a Car Auction (so the other side of vehicle re-marketing) and also a Degree.
Now my dilemma is to be able to move into this role I would need £22k - £23k, the job is a longer commute and I get a company car with my current job.
What is the situation with people requesting more than the salary advertised, is it a done thing? Is £3,000 PA a lot for a company? as it would make all the difference to me.
any views would be appreciated, especially from recruitment consultants, company directors etc.
£3k is a lot in %'age terms for this job, but worth a try.
I wouldn't mention this at any point until you get an offer. If you do get an offer and they won't come up to your aspiration you could negotiate around future prospects.
Employers generally like motivated employees that don't cruise at the same level ....
I wouldn't mention this at any point until you get an offer. If you do get an offer and they won't come up to your aspiration you could negotiate around future prospects.
Employers generally like motivated employees that don't cruise at the same level ....
sploosh said:
£3k is a lot in %'age terms for this job, but worth a try.
I wouldn't mention this at any point until you get an offer. If you do get an offer and they won't come up to your aspiration you could negotiate around future prospects.
Employers generally like motivated employees that don't cruise at the same level ....
Was about to post exactly this. Don't ask for another £3k for the advertised job. Ask for more for the extra stuff you will bring to the role now and in the future.I wouldn't mention this at any point until you get an offer. If you do get an offer and they won't come up to your aspiration you could negotiate around future prospects.
Employers generally like motivated employees that don't cruise at the same level ....
That said, make sure you weigh up the whole offer. Not just the financial benefits but other stuff like training opportunities, attitude to work/life balance, chance of promotion etc.
Odd dilemma.
Personally if I'd advertised a role and someone went through the process, got offered it and then asked for more than the upper limit, I'd be annoyed at having spent time when they knew the amount I was willing to pay from the start.
On the other hand, others might feel it reflects well on the candidate.
Personally if I'd advertised a role and someone went through the process, got offered it and then asked for more than the upper limit, I'd be annoyed at having spent time when they knew the amount I was willing to pay from the start.
On the other hand, others might feel it reflects well on the candidate.
Vee said:
Odd dilemma.
Personally if I'd advertised a role and someone went through the process, got offered it and then asked for more than the upper limit, I'd be annoyed at having spent time when they knew the amount I was willing to pay from the start.
On the other hand, others might feel it reflects well on the candidate.
I feel the same.Personally if I'd advertised a role and someone went through the process, got offered it and then asked for more than the upper limit, I'd be annoyed at having spent time when they knew the amount I was willing to pay from the start.
On the other hand, others might feel it reflects well on the candidate.
That said if we had a stand out and wanted them enough we wouldn't baulk at it. They'd have to be a bloody good match and bring extra to the party as well though.
Mk3Ed said:
Now my dilemma is to be able to move into this role I would need £22k - £23k, the job is a longer commute and I get a company car with my current job.
For what it's worth, here's what I'd think. Other opinions may exist.Your commute and previous company car are not irrelevant if it's part of a discussion that keeps you happy and motivated to work hard, but ultimately those aren't my primary concerns. As an employer, my main concern would be whether I'd be recruiting someone motivated who brings value to the organisation. If I were interviewing you and you asked for a significant amount more than I expected, then you had better have a really good reason why you're worth more than I was suggesting. If I'm paying you more, I would be expecting more in return.
Think about other people who already work for an organisation. If I were paying a new starter £22-23k for the same job when you were getting £19-20k, then I could have a string of unhappy employees asking why they were doing the same job for a lot less money than the new starter. Then I'd need a really good reason to explain why they're getting more. It's not a complete no-no but it would cause problems so it's something I would discourage. Otherwise I'd expose myself to several potential risks: I might have to pay several employees a lot more, employees who are hard to replace might become unhappy and leave if they perceive unfairness, or in extreme cases I might leave myself open to legal challenge by some employees who perceive discrimination.
Agreeing to a big wage rise for you could give me much more of a headache than your extra salary, and potentially cost me a lot more than your extra salary too. I wouldn't say no out of hand- I'd consider it- but you'd have a really, really good reason why I'd get enough out of you to make it worth the potential hassle.
Extremely grateful of all the replies, thank you.
Some interesting points raised esp around create problems for other employees etc.
I would definitely be looking to bring more to the role, and would welcome it if they gave the opportunity for extra responsibility etc.
I'm not the most self confident of people, but I could see myself being a good candidate for this job, but it all depends on if the employer would see it this way etc.
Moving forward the agency contacted me first thing this morning arranging a Skype interview with themselves with the potential for their client to interview late next week or early the week after.
Do I bring up the money situation with the agency? or hold our until after the job? I really don't want to be upsetting anyone about applying for this position.
Thanks Again
Some interesting points raised esp around create problems for other employees etc.
I would definitely be looking to bring more to the role, and would welcome it if they gave the opportunity for extra responsibility etc.
I'm not the most self confident of people, but I could see myself being a good candidate for this job, but it all depends on if the employer would see it this way etc.
Moving forward the agency contacted me first thing this morning arranging a Skype interview with themselves with the potential for their client to interview late next week or early the week after.
Do I bring up the money situation with the agency? or hold our until after the job? I really don't want to be upsetting anyone about applying for this position.
Thanks Again
The employer is the agency's client. Don't take this the wrong way, but they won't be acting in your interest so I wouldn't bring this up with them.
If this one doesn't come off for you it may be worth following up with this and other agencies that specialise in the area you're looking for employment in to let them know what sort of work / package you are looking for.
Their business is to find employees for their clients. The agency will be pitching for contracts all the time and need candidates to put forward as much as you need them to put you forward.
It not personal for them - its business.
If this one doesn't come off for you it may be worth following up with this and other agencies that specialise in the area you're looking for employment in to let them know what sort of work / package you are looking for.
Their business is to find employees for their clients. The agency will be pitching for contracts all the time and need candidates to put forward as much as you need them to put you forward.
It not personal for them - its business.
If it is a show stopper for you, I'd personally try to get it out in the open as soon as I could. If you get past the agent, I'd ask to have a quick word with the hiring manager and ask if they're open to the possibility because you don't want to muck them about if they're not. Everyone knows where they stand, and you've at least made yourself stand out from the herd. If they'll entertain more money and higher expectations of you from the outset, then making yourself stand out will help. If they're not interested, everyone's time is saved.
You know yourself what you need to live off and what you want to earn. IF it's not capable of giving you this, it's not the job for you. But you need to find that out by having a conversation with them. It doesnt need to be the first question, but it'd be up there on my list of questions to be asking. You need to qualify this company's ability to give you the salary that you need. Otherwise it's a waste of everyone's time
If you can trade off salary for holiday or other benefits then great, but if it's plain out "i need this much" and there's no chance you're getting near it, then it's pointless to go past the first qualifying stage with it regardless of how much you might think you'd like to do it (because you'll end up hating it for not giving you enough money)
If you can trade off salary for holiday or other benefits then great, but if it's plain out "i need this much" and there's no chance you're getting near it, then it's pointless to go past the first qualifying stage with it regardless of how much you might think you'd like to do it (because you'll end up hating it for not giving you enough money)
If salary were a deal-breaker for you, I'd discuss it as early as possible. (As above, it wouldn't be in my first couple of questions but it would be early in discussions. Even if it's a deal breaker for them, if they like the cut of your jib and you come across as a nice guy who didn't waste their time, you might have a better chance of another role on another occasion.
My personal experience,
I left uni had a job for 6 months and the contract came to an end early, I applied for a job listed as 20-23k, my first job was 20k.
When they asked at the interview what I was expecting as salary, I stated honestly that my last job was 20k and due to extra travelling I would be looking to recoup the cost of petrol for my 60 mile daily round trip. They also asked whether I had any other interviews/offers, again I answered honestly I had an interview the week before and was offered a job which was a similar commute, they didn't ask salary.
After I left the interview I got a phone call an hour or so later to say they were interested and would be offering 24.5k, needless to say I was chuffed considering extras like car allowance which other jobs didn't have. Now I worked there a while I am friendly with the people who hired me who said I was a better choice than the other candidates and therefore the offer was made to really entice me to the job.
Morale of my story, it depends on supply and demand. If they have lots of great candidates for a role you are unlikely to be treated special. If you are the only one you have some bargaining power!
I left uni had a job for 6 months and the contract came to an end early, I applied for a job listed as 20-23k, my first job was 20k.
When they asked at the interview what I was expecting as salary, I stated honestly that my last job was 20k and due to extra travelling I would be looking to recoup the cost of petrol for my 60 mile daily round trip. They also asked whether I had any other interviews/offers, again I answered honestly I had an interview the week before and was offered a job which was a similar commute, they didn't ask salary.
After I left the interview I got a phone call an hour or so later to say they were interested and would be offering 24.5k, needless to say I was chuffed considering extras like car allowance which other jobs didn't have. Now I worked there a while I am friendly with the people who hired me who said I was a better choice than the other candidates and therefore the offer was made to really entice me to the job.
Morale of my story, it depends on supply and demand. If they have lots of great candidates for a role you are unlikely to be treated special. If you are the only one you have some bargaining power!
Forget about the salary for now and focus on selling yourself - get the interview, go to it, ignore salary - once you know that they want you, then negotiate salary. They obviously want to pay as little as they can get away with but at the same time, they probably won't baulk at a few extra £k if you're the candidate that they want!
Good luck
Good luck
Appreciate all the comments, thanks everyone!
Had my interview this evening with the Agency well it was a Skype interview but they are happy to put me forward to the client. I'm happy with the way I conducted myself and I think/hope they are to. They did ask questions about my company car etc, and I got the impression that they may end up talking to the interviewing officer about this.
I will keep you all posted with how I get on
Had my interview this evening with the Agency well it was a Skype interview but they are happy to put me forward to the client. I'm happy with the way I conducted myself and I think/hope they are to. They did ask questions about my company car etc, and I got the impression that they may end up talking to the interviewing officer about this.
I will keep you all posted with how I get on
AyBee said:
Forget about the salary for now and focus on selling yourself - get the interview, go to it, ignore salary - once you know that they want you, then negotiate salary. They obviously want to pay as little as they can get away with but at the same time, they probably won't baulk at a few extra £k if you're the candidate that they want!
Good luck
My view too. If you exceed their initial expectations and they want you then negotiation should be possible.Good luck
Right slight update, this hasn't panned out as smoothly as I thought it would.
Went for an interview today with the client, seemed to go really well. The guy who was interviewing was complementary of both my CV and my interest in the industry. He actually bought up that the salary could be a concern as he can see that I would want to progress within the company and they wouldn't want to loose someone over pay that is low and hard to live on. Stupidly I didn't bring up the salary that I was looking for, just that I would probably have to crunch some numbers etc.
Now 2 and a half hours later the recruitment agency have rang me, saying that they were happy with me as a candidate but concerned that the salary may not be enough etc. The recruitment company now seem a little unhappy etc and are asking what the bare minimum I would take is and suggesting withdrawing my application from the process etc etc. When I expressed that I would need extra to cover the motoring costs she suggested buying a cheap little run around, I wouldn't really feel comfortable doing a 60 mile round trip in an old high mileage car.
I don't really know what to say? do I stick with my guns at £23,000? I could probably do it for £22,000 but it would be a struggle and if I say £22,000 they may try meet in the middle at £21,000?
Went for an interview today with the client, seemed to go really well. The guy who was interviewing was complementary of both my CV and my interest in the industry. He actually bought up that the salary could be a concern as he can see that I would want to progress within the company and they wouldn't want to loose someone over pay that is low and hard to live on. Stupidly I didn't bring up the salary that I was looking for, just that I would probably have to crunch some numbers etc.
Now 2 and a half hours later the recruitment agency have rang me, saying that they were happy with me as a candidate but concerned that the salary may not be enough etc. The recruitment company now seem a little unhappy etc and are asking what the bare minimum I would take is and suggesting withdrawing my application from the process etc etc. When I expressed that I would need extra to cover the motoring costs she suggested buying a cheap little run around, I wouldn't really feel comfortable doing a 60 mile round trip in an old high mileage car.
I don't really know what to say? do I stick with my guns at £23,000? I could probably do it for £22,000 but it would be a struggle and if I say £22,000 they may try meet in the middle at £21,000?
Zero f
ks given for the recruitment agent. They're not the ones who'll have to go in to the office each day on whatever it is you're on, happy or sad. Nor are they the ones who'll buy you a small cheap to run car that you dont want to drive to work in.
If you need £23k, tell them you need £23k. No-one ever thanks martyrs
ks given for the recruitment agent. They're not the ones who'll have to go in to the office each day on whatever it is you're on, happy or sad. Nor are they the ones who'll buy you a small cheap to run car that you dont want to drive to work in.If you need £23k, tell them you need £23k. No-one ever thanks martyrs
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