What does an Electrician earn?
Discussion
Royce44 said:
We install fire alarms and the subby electricians we use are £150 max. Thats for central london too! Any higher and its not worthwhile for us (prefer to pay others more to do a longer day if needs be)
Any sparks that says they earn £1000s a week, i simply dont believe, for every guy that charges £250 a day, theres one willing to do it for £240 and so on and so on where by the time you get down to £110ish you soon start to hire the bad ones so £150 for us gives the goodens.
Again to earn £1000s a week you need to be hitting some mega profitable price work consistently which A, wont happen B. average joe wont pay,.... C. This isnt a job Where you can control your earnings like a stockbroker or similar. A job will take a set amout of hours and no sparks can do enough work in a week to make that £1000 unless he makes himself ill doung stupid hours.
£30-40,000 is the average in my view
This is exactly why I have moved away from electrical installation after 25 years in the game. The JIB London rate for an employed approved Electrician is £16.97/hr. The guys you are engaging the services of above are self employed, and the rate they charge / you pay should be considerably more. £150 a day is a pittance for a 4 year apprenticeship served tradesman. Shame on you for paying it, and shame on them for working for it. Above all else I blame the rise of employment agencies for ruining the rates. Total and utter scum, the lot of em.Any sparks that says they earn £1000s a week, i simply dont believe, for every guy that charges £250 a day, theres one willing to do it for £240 and so on and so on where by the time you get down to £110ish you soon start to hire the bad ones so £150 for us gives the goodens.
Again to earn £1000s a week you need to be hitting some mega profitable price work consistently which A, wont happen B. average joe wont pay,.... C. This isnt a job Where you can control your earnings like a stockbroker or similar. A job will take a set amout of hours and no sparks can do enough work in a week to make that £1000 unless he makes himself ill doung stupid hours.
£30-40,000 is the average in my view
On a lighter note, I found it fairly easy to achieve £250/day working directly for electrical contractors.
unclemark123 said:
£150 a day is a pittance for a 4 year apprenticeship served tradesman.
Tell that to a nurse or teacher with a degree. Tradesemen like you are a bit too full of yourselves:Let's get this straight, tradesmen are not highly educated or highly skilled to demand very high salaries. Their education level is generally low and their skill is low/medium. They work in a competitive environment, so their rate is a function of their scarcity and market demand. £150 a day sounds reasonable for me for an electrician. They are not maxillofacial surgeons.
Get your head out of your ass and learn something about economics.
S1MMA said:
Tell that to a nurse or teacher with a degree. Tradesemen like you are a bit too full of yourselves:
Let's get this straight, tradesmen are not highly educated or highly skilled to demand very high salaries. Their education level is generally low and their skill is low/medium. They work in a competitive environment, so their rate is a function of their scarcity and market demand. £150 a day sounds reasonable for me for an electrician. They are not maxillofacial surgeons.
Get your head out of your ass and learn something about economics.
It does depend on the exact terms of engagement though with respect to things like tools / transport and so on ... Let's get this straight, tradesmen are not highly educated or highly skilled to demand very high salaries. Their education level is generally low and their skill is low/medium. They work in a competitive environment, so their rate is a function of their scarcity and market demand. £150 a day sounds reasonable for me for an electrician. They are not maxillofacial surgeons.
Get your head out of your ass and learn something about economics.
S1MMA said:
unclemark123 said:
£150 a day is a pittance for a 4 year apprenticeship served tradesman.
Tell that to a nurse or teacher with a degree. Tradesemen like you are a bit too full of yourselves:Let's get this straight, tradesmen are not highly educated or highly skilled to demand very high salaries. Their education level is generally low and their skill is low/medium. They work in a competitive environment, so their rate is a function of their scarcity and market demand. £150 a day sounds reasonable for me for an electrician. They are not maxillofacial surgeons.
Get your head out of your ass and learn something about economics.
Sorry but there is a great delight to run down the british tradesperson - or to disrespect them - Go get a grip !
A proper tradesperson that has done the time and qualified with all the tickets then you are dealing with someone with a skill thats taken years to gain and someone that has years of experience.
So those that have degrees and sit behind a desk driving a PC all day long its those that I feel sorry for. Computers are getting smarter information technology is getting better and those that drive desks ? well the writing is on the wall.
Get it up yerselfs.
So you think its about connecting a cable between point A and B ? That is a small part of it a very small part of it. Yes by all means go get the cheapest labour in thats fine its your choice afterall. Im pretty sure a semiskilled geezer could do a sparkies job.....
There is a lot more involved with sparking and unless you have the knowledge to support your generalisations then id not bother quoting about a job that you know not alot about.
Data Centre Technician.
Dual use building - data halls with office spaces -
dealing with people - environment lighting office moves all the first line maintenance and breakdown requirements that a busy office space requires. Emergency lighting testing fire alarm testing smoke alarm testing fixed and portable appliance testing.
Data centre - monitoring of specalised equipment for the support and operation of your critical comms equipment. BMS systems.
generators UPS - generally an understanding of these systems and how they interact and support your processes and platforms.
dealing with other contractors so processing method statements and risk assessments. Issuing permits and general contractor policing.
Switching and general operational duties that is required within a large building - Authorised person. There is soooo much more to sparking than you will ever see without looking into it....
A proper tradesperson that has done the time and qualified with all the tickets then you are dealing with someone with a skill thats taken years to gain and someone that has years of experience.
So those that have degrees and sit behind a desk driving a PC all day long its those that I feel sorry for. Computers are getting smarter information technology is getting better and those that drive desks ? well the writing is on the wall.
Get it up yerselfs.
So you think its about connecting a cable between point A and B ? That is a small part of it a very small part of it. Yes by all means go get the cheapest labour in thats fine its your choice afterall. Im pretty sure a semiskilled geezer could do a sparkies job.....
There is a lot more involved with sparking and unless you have the knowledge to support your generalisations then id not bother quoting about a job that you know not alot about.
Data Centre Technician.
Dual use building - data halls with office spaces -
dealing with people - environment lighting office moves all the first line maintenance and breakdown requirements that a busy office space requires. Emergency lighting testing fire alarm testing smoke alarm testing fixed and portable appliance testing.
Data centre - monitoring of specalised equipment for the support and operation of your critical comms equipment. BMS systems.
generators UPS - generally an understanding of these systems and how they interact and support your processes and platforms.
dealing with other contractors so processing method statements and risk assessments. Issuing permits and general contractor policing.
Switching and general operational duties that is required within a large building - Authorised person. There is soooo much more to sparking than you will ever see without looking into it....
ruggedscotty said:
Sorry but there is a great delight to run down the british tradesperson - or to disrespect them - Go get a grip !
A proper tradesperson that has done the time and qualified with all the tickets then you are dealing with someone with a skill thats taken years to gain and someone that has years of experience.
So those that have degrees and sit behind a desk driving a PC all day long its those that I feel sorry for. Computers are getting smarter information technology is getting better and those that drive desks ? well the writing is on the wall.
Get it up yerselfs.
So you think its about connecting a cable between point A and B ? That is a small part of it a very small part of it. Yes by all means go get the cheapest labour in thats fine its your choice afterall. Im pretty sure a semiskilled geezer could do a sparkies job.....
There is a lot more involved with sparking and unless you have the knowledge to support your generalisations then id not bother quoting about a job that you know not alot about.
Data Centre Technician.
Dual use building - data halls with office spaces -
dealing with people - environment lighting office moves all the first line maintenance and breakdown requirements that a busy office space requires. Emergency lighting testing fire alarm testing smoke alarm testing fixed and portable appliance testing.
Data centre - monitoring of specalised equipment for the support and operation of your critical comms equipment. BMS systems.
generators UPS - generally an understanding of these systems and how they interact and support your processes and platforms.
dealing with other contractors so processing method statements and risk assessments. Issuing permits and general contractor policing.
Switching and general operational duties that is required within a large building - Authorised person. There is soooo much more to sparking than you will ever see without looking into it....
but to suggest that the day rate especially if employee with tool allowance and fixed site etc should exceed that of a haealth professional or teacher is symptom of a delusion of grandeur ... A proper tradesperson that has done the time and qualified with all the tickets then you are dealing with someone with a skill thats taken years to gain and someone that has years of experience.
So those that have degrees and sit behind a desk driving a PC all day long its those that I feel sorry for. Computers are getting smarter information technology is getting better and those that drive desks ? well the writing is on the wall.
Get it up yerselfs.
So you think its about connecting a cable between point A and B ? That is a small part of it a very small part of it. Yes by all means go get the cheapest labour in thats fine its your choice afterall. Im pretty sure a semiskilled geezer could do a sparkies job.....
There is a lot more involved with sparking and unless you have the knowledge to support your generalisations then id not bother quoting about a job that you know not alot about.
Data Centre Technician.
Dual use building - data halls with office spaces -
dealing with people - environment lighting office moves all the first line maintenance and breakdown requirements that a busy office space requires. Emergency lighting testing fire alarm testing smoke alarm testing fixed and portable appliance testing.
Data centre - monitoring of specalised equipment for the support and operation of your critical comms equipment. BMS systems.
generators UPS - generally an understanding of these systems and how they interact and support your processes and platforms.
dealing with other contractors so processing method statements and risk assessments. Issuing permits and general contractor policing.
Switching and general operational duties that is required within a large building - Authorised person. There is soooo much more to sparking than you will ever see without looking into it....
ruggedscotty said:
there you go again suggesting that a tradesperson is much lower in your view to a health person - what sort of health person an auxillary or a doctor ?
a Health Professional not an assistant grade i.e. someone who holds a Statutory Professional Registration and in the vast majority of cases holds a degree level academic award ( and those who don't usually hold level 5 awards - there are still some level 4 equivalent awrds about for longer in service professionals who haven;t upgraded ) (for comparision with the craft / trades side of things level is HND / new Eng Tech / older IEng)
We install fire alarms and the subby electricians we use are £150 max. Thats for central london too! Any higher and its not worthwhile for us (prefer to pay others more to do a longer day if needs be)
Any sparks that says they earn £1000s a week, i simply dont believe, for every guy that charges £250 a day, theres one willing to do it for £240 and so on and so on where by the time you get down to £110ish you soon start to hire the bad ones so £150 for us gives the goodens.
Again to earn £1000s a week you need to be hitting some mega profitable price work consistently which A, wont happen B. average joe wont pay,.... C. This isnt a job Where you can control your earnings like a stockbroker or similar. A job will take a set amout of hours and no sparks can do enough work in a week to make that £1000 unless he makes himself ill doung stupid hours.
£30-40,000 is the average in my view
Any sparks that says they earn £1000s a week, i simply dont believe, for every guy that charges £250 a day, theres one willing to do it for £240 and so on and so on where by the time you get down to £110ish you soon start to hire the bad ones so £150 for us gives the goodens.
Again to earn £1000s a week you need to be hitting some mega profitable price work consistently which A, wont happen B. average joe wont pay,.... C. This isnt a job Where you can control your earnings like a stockbroker or similar. A job will take a set amout of hours and no sparks can do enough work in a week to make that £1000 unless he makes himself ill doung stupid hours.
£30-40,000 is the average in my view
No idea why that reposted?
I dont think £150 is particularly harsh in the scheme of things, if it were we'd be upping our rates but we dont need to, we have enough labour at our disposal. Its also consistent work in that some guys would rather work for 6 months permanent at £150 rather than a few weeks here and there at £200 a day.
Its the construction industry thats driven rates down, not my company aha. We can only pay what the job's value dictates. Im sure everyone would love to pay £250 a day but it just wont happen if you want work.
I dont think £150 is particularly harsh in the scheme of things, if it were we'd be upping our rates but we dont need to, we have enough labour at our disposal. Its also consistent work in that some guys would rather work for 6 months permanent at £150 rather than a few weeks here and there at £200 a day.
Its the construction industry thats driven rates down, not my company aha. We can only pay what the job's value dictates. Im sure everyone would love to pay £250 a day but it just wont happen if you want work.
I'm also amazed that people automatically think teachers or health professionals earn more just because.
An electrician takes risks, sets up a business, runs his own business and so on. He crawls under floorboards, goes up ladders and does tough manual work.
What I find is that people in an office job with a degree playing with emails every day thinks everyone else must earn less.
Some electricians can earn a lot, so can plumbers, so can builders. Yes, your average electrician may earn £150 per day but who wants to be average? I got laughed at trying to help say what I think good electricians can earn.
A mate of mine is also a plumber and I know what he earns but if I said it people just shoot you down and tell you a plumber can't possibly earn a lot because he didn't get a degree and he doesn't use Ms word every day and have meetings.
Tradesmen are in demand, good ones can ask good money.
The key is though to get into commercial work rather than domestic.
An electrician takes risks, sets up a business, runs his own business and so on. He crawls under floorboards, goes up ladders and does tough manual work.
What I find is that people in an office job with a degree playing with emails every day thinks everyone else must earn less.
Some electricians can earn a lot, so can plumbers, so can builders. Yes, your average electrician may earn £150 per day but who wants to be average? I got laughed at trying to help say what I think good electricians can earn.
A mate of mine is also a plumber and I know what he earns but if I said it people just shoot you down and tell you a plumber can't possibly earn a lot because he didn't get a degree and he doesn't use Ms word every day and have meetings.
Tradesmen are in demand, good ones can ask good money.
The key is though to get into commercial work rather than domestic.
jonah35 said:
I'm also amazed that people automatically think teachers or health professionals earn more just because.
An electrician takes risks, sets up a business, runs his own business and so on. He crawls under floorboards, goes up ladders and does tough manual work.
What I find is that people in an office job with a degree playing with emails every day thinks everyone else must earn less.
Some electricians can earn a lot, so can plumbers, so can builders. Yes, your average electrician may earn £150 per day but who wants to be average? I got laughed at trying to help say what I think good electricians can earn.
A mate of mine is also a plumber and I know what he earns but if I said it people just shoot you down and tell you a plumber can't possibly earn a lot because he didn't get a degree and he doesn't use Ms word every day and have meetings.
Tradesmen are in demand, good ones can ask good money.
The key is though to get into commercial work rather than domestic.
150 gbp day rate for the self employed electrician who pays for his/her own tools,van, cpd makes own pension arrangmeentsd wetc is rather different to an employee with a tool allowance / supplied tools , pension. fixed site working etc ... An electrician takes risks, sets up a business, runs his own business and so on. He crawls under floorboards, goes up ladders and does tough manual work.
What I find is that people in an office job with a degree playing with emails every day thinks everyone else must earn less.
Some electricians can earn a lot, so can plumbers, so can builders. Yes, your average electrician may earn £150 per day but who wants to be average? I got laughed at trying to help say what I think good electricians can earn.
A mate of mine is also a plumber and I know what he earns but if I said it people just shoot you down and tell you a plumber can't possibly earn a lot because he didn't get a degree and he doesn't use Ms word every day and have meetings.
Tradesmen are in demand, good ones can ask good money.
The key is though to get into commercial work rather than domestic.
if you think being a craftie is hard try a professional role in engineering / construction or being a Teacher or Health professional ...
with respect to Health professionals , a lot of people seem to confuse the roile of the registered Nurse with that of the HCA and the role of the Paramedic with being an ambulance driver ...
exactly a good tradesperson is worth their salt - you note its usually the ones that did a degree and ended up in a crap job with crap pay that b
h about how tradespersons shouldnt get more than what they are getting paid...
So in london whats the most likely thing to be said to a post graduate just out of uni ? Would you like fries with that....
In london whats the most likely thing to be said to a post apprenticeship electrician - Can you work sunday on double time as Im needing this done and I dont have the quantification or expertise to safely wire in this piece of equipment......
the trades are in demand and I think you will find those out there quick to run them down or belittle them have their own issues they need to work through...... Like how many sachets of salt to give the punter....
h about how tradespersons shouldnt get more than what they are getting paid...So in london whats the most likely thing to be said to a post graduate just out of uni ? Would you like fries with that....
In london whats the most likely thing to be said to a post apprenticeship electrician - Can you work sunday on double time as Im needing this done and I dont have the quantification or expertise to safely wire in this piece of equipment......
the trades are in demand and I think you will find those out there quick to run them down or belittle them have their own issues they need to work through...... Like how many sachets of salt to give the punter....
ruggedscotty said:
exactly a good tradesperson is worth their salt - you note its usually the ones that did a degree and ended up in a crap job with crap pay that bh about how tradespersons shouldnt get more than what they are getting paid...
I work a handful of hours a week so I haven't got anything against tradesmen. I just don't get why a blue collar worker would be earning £100p/a. Well I do get it as it isn't happening.h about how tradespersons shouldnt get more than what they are getting paid...jules_s said:
jonah35 said:
A mate of mine is also a plumber and I know what he earns
I'll make a fair wager you only know what he/she tells you what he/she earns And the true figure is significantly less
Him and another friend work in a team of two and mainly fit boilers for a living - I still call them plumbers. They can be asked by house builders, landlords etc and can charge say £1400-3k per boiler installation and they are flat out busy.
I know that they make good money but they work very hard, including evenings and weekends but they're just making the money and stashing it all away.
But, I know some plumbers that fix leaky taps for £20 and so on.
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