Starting work on time?
Discussion
Robertj21a said:
Simply tell them, in writing, that they are employed to work from 8am to 2pm and must wear the appropriate clothing during the time they are employed.
Then you risk them turning up at 8 the taking 5-10mins getting changed whilst in this case people have started work. You could look at doing a bonus scheme so the people who say are starting at 8 everyday as they come in earlier to get changed are able to leave a bit earlier when its a less busy day.
When I worked on a shop floor you were expected to be at the machine for your working ours, what this meant in reality was you "worked" about 45 to 1 hour per day unpaid due to walking back and forth to the machine, getting cleaned up etc. at that was included within your time. The 2 x 30 mins break you got on a 12 hour shift were in reality closer to 20 minutes.
I've only had one job where I had to wear a uniform, part time in a supermarket when I were a student. This was also the only job I've ever had with a proper card punching machine for clocking you in and out. You were expected to be in your uniform and card punched at or before your contracted start time, if you were more than a few minutes late you'd lose an hours pay. Likewise going home, clock out first then get changed. As I have a good work ethic even towards a pretty average job such as this one I had no problem with it. Unluckily for me I had to get a train to get to work and it got me there half an hour early anyway but a least I had plenty of time to change, have a coffee etc. before getting on with it.
So I'm in the arrive changed and ready for work by 8am camp on this one. As other have said only exception to this was if you worked in some sort of hazardous or clean room environment that required putting on a spacesuit or some such
So I'm in the arrive changed and ready for work by 8am camp on this one. As other have said only exception to this was if you worked in some sort of hazardous or clean room environment that required putting on a spacesuit or some such
21TonyK said:
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It's more a case of "A"s starting to get a bit pissed off and one "B" in particular making a song and dance about being "5 minutes early" or very loudly proclaiming they wont be claiming for overtime if they can leave 15 minutes early on Friday as they started a few minutes earlier than they think they should a couple of days.
It's all a bit petty and silly. I just want to stamp it all out, set a standard and enforce it.
Just don't want make sure I'm not expecting too much
I think you need to manage that one 'B' in particular out. Sounds like a troublemaker who is stirring up the others, and will likely try to undermine your authority. What does the company handbook say? Would be a good idea to speak to your line manager and ask for his/her advice.It's more a case of "A"s starting to get a bit pissed off and one "B" in particular making a song and dance about being "5 minutes early" or very loudly proclaiming they wont be claiming for overtime if they can leave 15 minutes early on Friday as they started a few minutes earlier than they think they should a couple of days.
It's all a bit petty and silly. I just want to stamp it all out, set a standard and enforce it.
Just don't want make sure I'm not expecting too much
Part of me thinks that if you're required to wear a uniform for work and can't take it home with you that the time spent getting changed should count towards your working day as it's been imposed by your employer and could be avoided if you didn't have to change at work.
The other part of me - the part that lives in the real world - thinks if you're compensating for potential commuting delays, etc. then you'll have 10-20 minutes more than your contracted hours at work every day so you can lose the changing time in that.
The other part of me - the part that lives in the real world - thinks if you're compensating for potential commuting delays, etc. then you'll have 10-20 minutes more than your contracted hours at work every day so you can lose the changing time in that.
condor said:
I think you need to manage that one 'B' in particular out. Sounds like a troublemaker who is stirring up the others, and will likely try to undermine your authority. What does the company handbook say? Would be a good idea to speak to your line manager and ask for his/her advice.
You're right in the first part, For the last question. Line manager will think this...MitchT said:
Part of me thinks that if you're required to wear a uniform for work and can't take it home with you that the time spent getting changed should count towards your working day as it's been imposed by your employer and could be avoided if you didn't have to change at work.
Until I explain that 10 minutes a day over 10 staff means I need to add £3K+ a year to my staff budget.I'm going with option "A" and if problem "B" gets funny they'll be addressed individually.
Cheers all
DMN said:
Option c) Turns up to work 5-10 minutes early to get changed and be at their place of work ready for 8am. Then gets 5-10 minutes to wash-up and change at the end of the day, leaving on time.
Thats how most places I've worked have been run.
sounds like a sensible compromise and splits the difference ... Thats how most places I've worked have been run.
21TonyK said:
Until I explain that 10 minutes a day over 10 staff means I need to add £3K+ a year to my staff budget.
Cost of doing business to some extent.I've never seen squeezing every last minute out of people work out constructively, perhaps just point out to whoever stops first that leaving others to finish the job isn't particularly fair.
Granfondo said:
The answer is A and any other answer is from an employee.
how to make friends and influence people ...also I'd love to see some smart -arse powerfully built be-goatted red bull guzzling PH Director try it enforce it whether tby threats or by trying to make discips out of it ... probably cost far more in dealing with the s
te than you'd save.clean down time is part of the overhead of the business...
steveo3002 said:
get your extra 10 mins a day and then get the workers working to rule instead of knuckling down and getting it done in good time
Did you see my comment about not claiming 15 minutes overtime? Seriously, they do this.If "they" (as in a few of them) work more than 5 minutes beyond what they see as their finishing time, 2pm + 5-10 mins for changing, then they write it up and claim at the end of the week. So far not been challenged.
If however I suggest we all POETS because I was in an hour early to save them all time at end of day there is barely a comment.
It's very much a one way street and has been since the "B"'s started.
Shortly I will be setting up another site to mirror the current one, then another planned for 2017/18, then another and no doubt another.
This site, how it works and our practices will be replicated and without me being there to keep tabs I really do think shortcuts will be taken and I don't want to be wasting time chasing up problems that can be prevented.
A flexible system is great as long as it's not abused. I fear it would be in this instance.
Shame, but if people show themselves to be a PITA and disruptive to a team it looks like the team will suffer. Rotten apple... barrel etc
21TonyK said:
Simple question.
Person is employed from 8am - 2pm in a manual role on £8-£10 per hour. They are required to wear a uniform which is kept at work.
What would you expect?
A: Arrive 5 minutes early to get changed and again stop and change at 2 then leave at 5 past.
Or
B: Arrive dead on 8, get changed and ready to start at 10 past then stop at 1:50, changed and leave at 2.
Personally I expect the latter. I know you could argue that they don't get paid for the extra 20 minutes but they don't get paid for travelling too and from work either.
WTF? Really?Person is employed from 8am - 2pm in a manual role on £8-£10 per hour. They are required to wear a uniform which is kept at work.
What would you expect?
A: Arrive 5 minutes early to get changed and again stop and change at 2 then leave at 5 past.
Or
B: Arrive dead on 8, get changed and ready to start at 10 past then stop at 1:50, changed and leave at 2.
Personally I expect the latter. I know you could argue that they don't get paid for the extra 20 minutes but they don't get paid for travelling too and from work either.
This kind of thinking is what puts this country into the s
tter.You are in uniform ready by 8 and in uniform at 2pm.... then change.
Edited by Troubleatmill on Friday 3rd June 21:37
21TonyK said:
one "B" in particular making a song and dance about being "5 minutes early" or very loudly proclaiming they wont be claiming for overtime if they can leave 15 minutes early on Friday as they started a few minutes earlier than they think they should a couple of days.
Sack this one. HTH. Troubleatmill said:
21TonyK said:
Simple question.
Person is employed from 8am - 2pm in a manual role on £8-£10 per hour. They are required to wear a uniform which is kept at work.
What would you expect?
A: Arrive 5 minutes early to get changed and again stop and change at 2 then leave at 5 past.
Or
B: Arrive dead on 8, get changed and ready to start at 10 past then stop at 1:50, changed and leave at 2.
Personally I expect the latter. I know you could argue that they don't get paid for the extra 20 minutes but they don't get paid for travelling too and from work either.
WTF? Really?Person is employed from 8am - 2pm in a manual role on £8-£10 per hour. They are required to wear a uniform which is kept at work.
What would you expect?
A: Arrive 5 minutes early to get changed and again stop and change at 2 then leave at 5 past.
Or
B: Arrive dead on 8, get changed and ready to start at 10 past then stop at 1:50, changed and leave at 2.
Personally I expect the latter. I know you could argue that they don't get paid for the extra 20 minutes but they don't get paid for travelling too and from work either.
This kind of thinking is what puts this country into the s
tter.You are in uniform ready by 8 and in uniform at 2pm.... then change.
Edited by Troubleatmill on Friday 3rd June 21:37
mph1977 said:
Granfondo said:
The answer is A and any other answer is from an employee.
how to make friends and influence people ...also I'd love to see some smart -arse powerfully built be-goatted red bull guzzling PH Director try it enforce it whether tby threats or by trying to make discips out of it ... probably cost far more in dealing with the s
te than you'd save.clean down time is part of the overhead of the business...
Being scared of enforcing rules is the beginning of the end in buisiness! 
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