Starting work on time?
Discussion
Granfondo said:
mph1977 said:
Granfondo said:
The answer is A and any other answer is from an employee.
how to make friends and influence people ...also I'd love to see some smart -arse powerfully built be-goatted red bull guzzling PH Director try it enforce it whether tby threats or by trying to make discips out of it ... probably cost far more in dealing with the s
te than you'd save.clean down time is part of the overhead of the business...
Being scared of enforcing rules is the beginning of the end in buisiness! 
" train people so they can leave, treat them well enough they don't want to " - often attributed to R Branson ...
As far as I was concerned when managing/running a kitchen it was a one out all out attitude. Nobody got changed before anyone was done with the clean down. Sounds like you need some team bonding and to teach these people how to work for each other and to do their jobs ore efficiently.
If standards slip after you've gone then you need to manage it and make an example of the worst offender to show that the st show will not be tolerated.
If standards slip after you've gone then you need to manage it and make an example of the worst offender to show that the s
t show will not be tolerated. mph1977 said:
Granfondo said:
mph1977 said:
Granfondo said:
The answer is A and any other answer is from an employee.
how to make friends and influence people ...also I'd love to see some smart -arse powerfully built be-goatted red bull guzzling PH Director try it enforce it whether tby threats or by trying to make discips out of it ... probably cost far more in dealing with the s
te than you'd save.clean down time is part of the overhead of the business...
Being scared of enforcing rules is the beginning of the end in buisiness! " train people so they can leave, treat them well enough they don't want to " - often attributed to R Branson ...
Give them an option...
Either they:
A) come in at 5 to 8, get changed and work until 2pm and get changed to go home.
Or
B) They get 2/3 uniforms for themselves to clean and they come in at 8am wearing said uniform and can go at 2pm wearing said uniform, however said uniform must be spotless for every shift.
See how quickly the B's suddenly realise that being a dick over 5 minutes over having to wash uniforms every other night is, plus making example if the uniform is not spotless for their shift, say docking 30-60 minutes pay to cover the hire of clean uniform, which is the same as losing out on 10 minutes a day to get changed.
However Im an arse and the above is what I would do if I had someone fking about and play them at their own game.
(probably why I don't own or run kitchens)
Either they:
A) come in at 5 to 8, get changed and work until 2pm and get changed to go home.
Or
B) They get 2/3 uniforms for themselves to clean and they come in at 8am wearing said uniform and can go at 2pm wearing said uniform, however said uniform must be spotless for every shift.
See how quickly the B's suddenly realise that being a dick over 5 minutes over having to wash uniforms every other night is, plus making example if the uniform is not spotless for their shift, say docking 30-60 minutes pay to cover the hire of clean uniform, which is the same as losing out on 10 minutes a day to get changed.
However Im an arse and the above is what I would do if I had someone f
king about and play them at their own game.(probably why I don't own or run kitchens)
NordicCrankShaft said:
As far as I was concerned when managing/running a kitchen it was a one out all out attitude. Nobody got changed before anyone was done with the clean down. Sounds like you need some team bonding and to teach these people how to work for each other and to do their jobs ore efficiently.
If standards slip after you've gone then you need to manage it and make an example of the worst offender to show that the st show will not be tolerated.
Completely agree, that's how is SHOULD be. And, in the private sector its how it works.If standards slip after you've gone then you need to manage it and make an example of the worst offender to show that the s
t show will not be tolerated. Unfortunately this is public sector, unions, bleeding hearts and very soft management. Plus the staff are largely not kitchen professionals doing fairly basic tasks doing it for the money not as a career. The work ethic is strong'ish but life centres around what's going on outside of work not inside.
You're right about the team building, it's the way forward.
jonnydm said:
If I'm not mistaken, this was discussed at some length in the news recently in relation to the lengthy checks that Sports Direct carries out on warehouse workers as they arrive / leave.
It is quite normal to finish your shift, and stop getting paid at midnight, but not leave the building until anything up to 1am.I speak from personal experience.
cjs racing. said:
jonnydm said:
If I'm not mistaken, this was discussed at some length in the news recently in relation to the lengthy checks that Sports Direct carries out on warehouse workers as they arrive / leave.
It is quite normal to finish your shift, and stop getting paid at midnight, but not leave the building until anything up to 1am.I speak from personal experience.
also same tricks with searches in many logistics settings - but again rarely as prolonged...
Before entering the shopfloor area in our plants there is an electronic time clock, They pass there with their RFID badges after having been in the dressing rooms, ready to start work, that is the entrance time considered for their wages. There is also a maximum 3 minutes delay tolerance, otherwise their paid work starts from the next half hour.
I do my fair share of free hours but at my place nobody really says much if I walk in ten minutes after normal or bugger off 20 minutes early as everything looks after itself.
I'm probably a little naive but I do struggle to see how you can basically expect people to work for free because you keep their uniforms at work?
By that what I mean is I'm sure you need to keep the uniforms at work, but it never ceases to amaze me the amount of goodwill a company will burn over 10-15 minutes a day.
I'm probably a little naive but I do struggle to see how you can basically expect people to work for free because you keep their uniforms at work?
By that what I mean is I'm sure you need to keep the uniforms at work, but it never ceases to amaze me the amount of goodwill a company will burn over 10-15 minutes a day.
I'm not hourly rated.
I just think some employers will try anything to improve efficiency or whatever they want to call it, whilst paying little regard to the amount of goodwill it might cost.
It works the other way of course, some employees are clock watchers but in an ideal world a little give and take on both sides is a very good thing to have.
On my very dodgy maths if the goodwill you lost is worth less than 5% of what you're paying then fill your boots.
I just think some employers will try anything to improve efficiency or whatever they want to call it, whilst paying little regard to the amount of goodwill it might cost.
It works the other way of course, some employees are clock watchers but in an ideal world a little give and take on both sides is a very good thing to have.
On my very dodgy maths if the goodwill you lost is worth less than 5% of what you're paying then fill your boots.
You are probably right but working the hours they get paid for shouldn't require extra goodwill, it's what they agreed to do.
You're also right about the give and take but when getting away with being stiffed for only 5% counts as a good result I remember why don't employ staff any more.
You're also right about the give and take but when getting away with being stiffed for only 5% counts as a good result I remember why don't employ staff any more.
Granfondo said:
I cannot believe that anyone can argue that starting at 8 and finishing at 2 means starting at 8.10 and finishing at 1.50.
that is not what is being discussed though is it ... it's the definition of starting and finishing - in the building and clocked in vs at your 'workstation'...
Pothole said:
21TonyK said:
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The work ethic is strong'ish but life centres around what's going on outside of work not inside.
As it should, surely?The work ethic is strong'ish but life centres around what's going on outside of work not inside.
Also don't forget that if you are draconian you will turn them against you and then your sunk.
Good luck with it :-)
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