What am i worth?
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chilistrucker said:
Well thats another year done, and the full time thing didn't happen. They were not prepared to go above 30k and considering the effort I put in and the hours I would work the money is just way too low.
I got midway through last Monday, and was called into the office and told that Wednesday would be my last day.
They have kept my backup chauffeur on though, who said he would leave. I told him not too and to get out of it what he could for as long as it suited him.
I also told the money man not to phone me next year as he clearly won't be able to afford me. I wished him all the best in finding a suitable replacement
Shame they're scrimping so much.I got midway through last Monday, and was called into the office and told that Wednesday would be my last day.
They have kept my backup chauffeur on though, who said he would leave. I told him not too and to get out of it what he could for as long as it suited him.
I also told the money man not to phone me next year as he clearly won't be able to afford me. I wished him all the best in finding a suitable replacement
chilistrucker said:
Well thats another year done, and the full time thing didn't happen. They were not prepared to go above 30k and considering the effort I put in and the hours I would work the money is just way too low.
I got midway through last Monday, and was called into the office and told that Wednesday would be my last day.
They have kept my backup chauffeur on though, who said he would leave. I told him not too and to get out of it what he could for as long as it suited him.
I also told the money man not to phone me next year as he clearly won't be able to afford me. I wished him all the best in finding a suitable replacement
Given how hard you worked for them , it's very disappointing how they've behaved.I got midway through last Monday, and was called into the office and told that Wednesday would be my last day.
They have kept my backup chauffeur on though, who said he would leave. I told him not too and to get out of it what he could for as long as it suited him.
I also told the money man not to phone me next year as he clearly won't be able to afford me. I wished him all the best in finding a suitable replacement
shirt said:
I find the latter few overs quite bizarre. A man complains he had to tidy a garage for the equivalent of 52k per year and everyone agrees he is hard done by.
52k is nowhere enough to cover the demand a HNW family will ask of their staff, especially drivers. You're basically putting your life on hold to fulfil theirs.Interesting read and set the day dreamer in me wondering what I would accept financially.
30k although might not be a lot of money for some people, would be roughly what I could earn with overtime and extra shifts.
I work for the NHS in a demanding job and shifts on nights of 12 hours x 4 one week and 12 hours x 3 the next week and 12 hour shifts during the week.
I work in mental healtg on with forensic patients who are detained. Very very challenging at times. I suppose you could compare my job to that off a prison officer combined with a nursing role.
I think at times if someone offered me 30k for a job that although busy is safe, clean and for wealthy clients who may be at least polite. I'd jump at the chance.
60k for the likes of me would be a dream come true. I would even move my family close to where I was working and the extra wages would allow my Mrs to give up work completely.
I'm not having a pop in anyway , so please don't think I am.
The job of working for mb that you mentioned, I reckon a 20k job tops and one that ties no loyalty to you and an easy come kind of approach.
Just throw this in here, from someone who is practically married, 3 kids and a big mortgage ha ha.
Col.
30k although might not be a lot of money for some people, would be roughly what I could earn with overtime and extra shifts.
I work for the NHS in a demanding job and shifts on nights of 12 hours x 4 one week and 12 hours x 3 the next week and 12 hour shifts during the week.
I work in mental healtg on with forensic patients who are detained. Very very challenging at times. I suppose you could compare my job to that off a prison officer combined with a nursing role.
I think at times if someone offered me 30k for a job that although busy is safe, clean and for wealthy clients who may be at least polite. I'd jump at the chance.
60k for the likes of me would be a dream come true. I would even move my family close to where I was working and the extra wages would allow my Mrs to give up work completely.
I'm not having a pop in anyway , so please don't think I am.
The job of working for mb that you mentioned, I reckon a 20k job tops and one that ties no loyalty to you and an easy come kind of approach.
Just throw this in here, from someone who is practically married, 3 kids and a big mortgage ha ha.
Col.
Col, the way that jobs are valued is a strange one. In organisations like the NHS they will be scored on a system and the number of points a job gets equates to a grade that equates to a salary and this will then be checked across the board for consistency. So, making it up a nurse would be grade 5 with 400 points and 30k salary. However, a manager setting a new job will know that a grade 4 'would get 35k and would need 450 points so they play the system until it reaches 450 points.
This is how you get managers paid more than doctors etc, demonstrated in a very simplistic way. All companies will use some form of this technique once they get over a certain size. Although they can be gamed and are therefore problematic they are a better start than say a company which the OP works for which would be far too small and thus a bit finger in the air. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they get it wrong. But the value is of course to the end user not the employee
This is how you get managers paid more than doctors etc, demonstrated in a very simplistic way. All companies will use some form of this technique once they get over a certain size. Although they can be gamed and are therefore problematic they are a better start than say a company which the OP works for which would be far too small and thus a bit finger in the air. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they get it wrong. But the value is of course to the end user not the employee
oh yes i missed the part where he has to suffer driving a car and wait around.
the attitude seems to be that they can afford it so they are at fault by not ponying up.
the thread where the OP discussed the patriarch's health was quite telling. there's no way he would still be employed by the family if they knew about that.
the attitude seems to be that they can afford it so they are at fault by not ponying up.
the thread where the OP discussed the patriarch's health was quite telling. there's no way he would still be employed by the family if they knew about that.
shirt said:
oh yes i missed the part where he has to suffer driving a car and wait around.
the attitude seems to be that they can afford it so they are at fault by not ponying up.
the thread where the OP discussed the patriarch's health was quite telling. there's no way he would still be employed by the family if they knew about that.
Last year was very much more driving around and waiting. Driving in the safest smoothest manner possible at all times. The sitting about bit you mention, involved finding the closest legal place to park to where you drop them, so that you could go and collect their shopping at the drop of a hat, never actually knowing if you had time to grab a sarnie or visit the toilet. Any gaps during the 'sitting about' bit you mention were spent cleaning the vehicle you were in.the attitude seems to be that they can afford it so they are at fault by not ponying up.
the thread where the OP discussed the patriarch's health was quite telling. there's no way he would still be employed by the family if they knew about that.
I couldn't even begin to explain to you what the job entailed this year, not that you'd get it. I never once thought, oh they can afford it, I'll stick a ridiculous figure of 60k in. They asked what 'I thought' I was worth, and based on the industry standard and for the effort, hours and commitment I put in I still think I was reasonably close to the mark. I didn't say thats what I expected as i was thinking 40-45k, I just honestly answered their question. Ponying up my arse.
As for discussing the patriarchs health I tried to do this in the most subtle and discreet manner possible, and only did it to try and prepare myself for every possible situation depending on how events would unfold. Never would I mention family names, property addresses etc. Maybe you're right, maybe they wouldn't have been happy, but had they not listened to me on that particular day, begging them to phone an ambulance the patriarchs condition could have been a whole lot worse than being rushed to A&E in an ambulance and spending nearly 3 weeks in hospital.
What I have learned from this summer is that maybe the best thing that happened to me, is that they didn't want to pay me a decent wage. From mid May-3rd week of September I never once got a full weekend off, and in that period had a total of 15 days off from work and in my own home.
I did earn well out of the job this year, but trust me I genuinely earned every single penny of it.
colinevan said:
What's the next step then buddy,
Are you staying put for the time being on say an hourly rate or is it something fresh.
Col.
TBH, no idea??? Certainly can't go back on the trucks and rock n roll as the DVLA still play the same old game, but i'm over that one now. The family layed me off, as they only need the 1 chauffeur now and the other lad is the cheaper option and more local. Good luck to him though, as he is an excellent fella and I would never have got through this year without him.Are you staying put for the time being on say an hourly rate or is it something fresh.
Col.
I'd love to stay driving in some way, there is good money in chauffeuring if you can find the right family, terms and conditions but most of the big agencies that scout for these roles want 5 years chauffeuring experience. I have 2. The 25 years experience of driving Europe and beyond counts for nothing. Such is life.
Sadly my lack of experience in anything other than trucking really leaves me a little bit stuffed, and beings i'm 45 now who wants to train someone of my age up in a new career. Don't blame them. I can't train to do taxing, buses, tour buses, trains even as they all require the same medical to be passed as i need for my lorry licence back, so that just puts me back at square 1 with the DVLA medical panel.
Stacking shelves in Tesco maybe, as I don't fancy £7.20 per hour doing multi-drop van work.
Nights at Tesco maybe, and get back to writing my book in the day time maybe.
Got 2 chapters down earlier this year, then the chauffeur thing came back and took over the last 4 and a half months.
As long as I keep waking up in the morning in, it can't all be that bad
Quoted from: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
chilistrucker said:
As per title really!
How do you pick yourself up from repeatedly being knocked down!
Life was good for a while, had it's ups and downs but always kept fighting and plugging on to get by and normally managed it. A while back it got worse when the only thing I was good at to earn a wage was taken away from me due to even more ridiculous bad luck! Hey ho, such is life.
I tried to find a way around this, then thought I had with a new career path that I really took a gamble on. It went well but was only ever short term, but I was prepared to take that gamble hoping it would lead onto something else. It hasn't, so a year on and I've achieved nowt!!! So back at a very dark square 1, what next???
Other than a 1 way trip to beachy head, how do people keep up the will to survive???
I'd love to know? I never wanted f
king sympathy, an easy life, or charity just a fair crack of the whip, but think even that fell short!
From: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...How do you pick yourself up from repeatedly being knocked down!
Life was good for a while, had it's ups and downs but always kept fighting and plugging on to get by and normally managed it. A while back it got worse when the only thing I was good at to earn a wage was taken away from me due to even more ridiculous bad luck! Hey ho, such is life.
I tried to find a way around this, then thought I had with a new career path that I really took a gamble on. It went well but was only ever short term, but I was prepared to take that gamble hoping it would lead onto something else. It hasn't, so a year on and I've achieved nowt!!! So back at a very dark square 1, what next???
Other than a 1 way trip to beachy head, how do people keep up the will to survive???
I'd love to know? I never wanted f
king sympathy, an easy life, or charity just a fair crack of the whip, but think even that fell short!chilistrucker said:
Just wondering what others have had to deal with, and how did you turn it around?
I've had a pretty crappy 6 months for various reasons, and after a while despite trying to fight the system the constant knock backs really do start getting you down and you begin to wonder if there really is a light at the end of that tunnel? I've seen various threads in the past refering to depression, the homeless, suicide etc and have to be honest in the last 6 months think i have much more sympathy and a better understanding as to why some people end up going down these routes, rightly or wrongly. I guess until you've been there yourself maybe its harder to have a proper understanding of the situation, until you're in it yourself.
I woke up today at my lowest point, the mrs was ill in bed with a migraine and sickness for the 2nd day running, mainly due to the last 6 months finally starting to beat us. I came downstairs knowing we had no milk in the fridge, or sugar in the cupboard so an unsweet black coffee it was. I sat in the garden blankly staring at the floor whilst drinking my cuppa knowing that sadly the cupboards are virtually bear, although we've done a pretty good job of making the pasta and veg go a long way, but with only £2.07 left in the bank and now being out of ideas i honestly feel like i have failed. 6 months ago i never thought things could get as low as they have, but hey ho, these are the cards we are dealt.
So i mooched around the house gathered up a collection of dvds and blueray films aswell as some xbox games, (about 70 in total) plus my decent satnav, (new last year at £249) and walked down to the town and flogged the lot in 1 of those exchange type shops. I got £50 for the lot
I wasn't expecting alot but £50 hurt, but at least its £50 quids worth of shopping now in the cupboards. I hope it lasts for a while or our luck changes as otherwise its my late parents antiques next
Sorry i know its not an upbeat Saturday night topic, but interested to know how others have maybe dealt with similar situations?
And now this thread. Seems to me you've got issues, most of them being First World and ungratefulness, seems you'll never be happy no matter what you've got.I've had a pretty crappy 6 months for various reasons, and after a while despite trying to fight the system the constant knock backs really do start getting you down and you begin to wonder if there really is a light at the end of that tunnel? I've seen various threads in the past refering to depression, the homeless, suicide etc and have to be honest in the last 6 months think i have much more sympathy and a better understanding as to why some people end up going down these routes, rightly or wrongly. I guess until you've been there yourself maybe its harder to have a proper understanding of the situation, until you're in it yourself.
I woke up today at my lowest point, the mrs was ill in bed with a migraine and sickness for the 2nd day running, mainly due to the last 6 months finally starting to beat us. I came downstairs knowing we had no milk in the fridge, or sugar in the cupboard so an unsweet black coffee it was. I sat in the garden blankly staring at the floor whilst drinking my cuppa knowing that sadly the cupboards are virtually bear, although we've done a pretty good job of making the pasta and veg go a long way, but with only £2.07 left in the bank and now being out of ideas i honestly feel like i have failed. 6 months ago i never thought things could get as low as they have, but hey ho, these are the cards we are dealt.
So i mooched around the house gathered up a collection of dvds and blueray films aswell as some xbox games, (about 70 in total) plus my decent satnav, (new last year at £249) and walked down to the town and flogged the lot in 1 of those exchange type shops. I got £50 for the lot
I wasn't expecting alot but £50 hurt, but at least its £50 quids worth of shopping now in the cupboards. I hope it lasts for a while or our luck changes as otherwise its my late parents antiques next
Sorry i know its not an upbeat Saturday night topic, but interested to know how others have maybe dealt with similar situations?
227bhp said:
Quoted from: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Was this ^ really necessary?chilistrucker said:
As per title really!
How do you pick yourself up from repeatedly being knocked down!
Life was good for a while, had it's ups and downs but always kept fighting and plugging on to get by and normally managed it. A while back it got worse when the only thing I was good at to earn a wage was taken away from me due to even more ridiculous bad luck! Hey ho, such is life.
I tried to find a way around this, then thought I had with a new career path that I really took a gamble on. It went well but was only ever short term, but I was prepared to take that gamble hoping it would lead onto something else. It hasn't, so a year on and I've achieved nowt!!! So back at a very dark square 1, what next???
Other than a 1 way trip to beachy head, how do people keep up the will to survive???
I'd love to know? I never wanted fking sympathy, an easy life, or charity just a fair crack of the whip, but think even that fell short!
From: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...How do you pick yourself up from repeatedly being knocked down!
Life was good for a while, had it's ups and downs but always kept fighting and plugging on to get by and normally managed it. A while back it got worse when the only thing I was good at to earn a wage was taken away from me due to even more ridiculous bad luck! Hey ho, such is life.
I tried to find a way around this, then thought I had with a new career path that I really took a gamble on. It went well but was only ever short term, but I was prepared to take that gamble hoping it would lead onto something else. It hasn't, so a year on and I've achieved nowt!!! So back at a very dark square 1, what next???
Other than a 1 way trip to beachy head, how do people keep up the will to survive???
I'd love to know? I never wanted f
king sympathy, an easy life, or charity just a fair crack of the whip, but think even that fell short!chilistrucker said:
Just wondering what others have had to deal with, and how did you turn it around?
I've had a pretty crappy 6 months for various reasons, and after a while despite trying to fight the system the constant knock backs really do start getting you down and you begin to wonder if there really is a light at the end of that tunnel? I've seen various threads in the past refering to depression, the homeless, suicide etc and have to be honest in the last 6 months think i have much more sympathy and a better understanding as to why some people end up going down these routes, rightly or wrongly. I guess until you've been there yourself maybe its harder to have a proper understanding of the situation, until you're in it yourself.
I woke up today at my lowest point, the mrs was ill in bed with a migraine and sickness for the 2nd day running, mainly due to the last 6 months finally starting to beat us. I came downstairs knowing we had no milk in the fridge, or sugar in the cupboard so an unsweet black coffee it was. I sat in the garden blankly staring at the floor whilst drinking my cuppa knowing that sadly the cupboards are virtually bear, although we've done a pretty good job of making the pasta and veg go a long way, but with only £2.07 left in the bank and now being out of ideas i honestly feel like i have failed. 6 months ago i never thought things could get as low as they have, but hey ho, these are the cards we are dealt.
So i mooched around the house gathered up a collection of dvds and blueray films aswell as some xbox games, (about 70 in total) plus my decent satnav, (new last year at £249) and walked down to the town and flogged the lot in 1 of those exchange type shops. I got £50 for the lot
I wasn't expecting alot but £50 hurt, but at least its £50 quids worth of shopping now in the cupboards. I hope it lasts for a while or our luck changes as otherwise its my late parents antiques next
Sorry i know its not an upbeat Saturday night topic, but interested to know how others have maybe dealt with similar situations?
And now this thread. Seems to me you've got issues, most of them being First World and ungratefulness, seems you'll never be happy no matter what you've got.I've had a pretty crappy 6 months for various reasons, and after a while despite trying to fight the system the constant knock backs really do start getting you down and you begin to wonder if there really is a light at the end of that tunnel? I've seen various threads in the past refering to depression, the homeless, suicide etc and have to be honest in the last 6 months think i have much more sympathy and a better understanding as to why some people end up going down these routes, rightly or wrongly. I guess until you've been there yourself maybe its harder to have a proper understanding of the situation, until you're in it yourself.
I woke up today at my lowest point, the mrs was ill in bed with a migraine and sickness for the 2nd day running, mainly due to the last 6 months finally starting to beat us. I came downstairs knowing we had no milk in the fridge, or sugar in the cupboard so an unsweet black coffee it was. I sat in the garden blankly staring at the floor whilst drinking my cuppa knowing that sadly the cupboards are virtually bear, although we've done a pretty good job of making the pasta and veg go a long way, but with only £2.07 left in the bank and now being out of ideas i honestly feel like i have failed. 6 months ago i never thought things could get as low as they have, but hey ho, these are the cards we are dealt.
So i mooched around the house gathered up a collection of dvds and blueray films aswell as some xbox games, (about 70 in total) plus my decent satnav, (new last year at £249) and walked down to the town and flogged the lot in 1 of those exchange type shops. I got £50 for the lot
I wasn't expecting alot but £50 hurt, but at least its £50 quids worth of shopping now in the cupboards. I hope it lasts for a while or our luck changes as otherwise its my late parents antiques next
Sorry i know its not an upbeat Saturday night topic, but interested to know how others have maybe dealt with similar situations?
Talk about kick a man when he is down.
Hope you get sorted soon OP.
jeff666 said:
Was this ^ really necessary?
Talk about kick a man when he is down.
Hope you get sorted soon OP.
He seems to be doing pretty well to me, so not sure why you think that?Talk about kick a man when he is down.
Hope you get sorted soon OP.
It's important to read the whole book and not just a chapter. I find it a bit disturbing that when someone is put in a position of trust that they put a lot of (employers) intimate family details in the public domain. I wonder if you would employ a person who did that?
Yes I also hope it works out ok for him.
227bhp said:
He seems to be doing pretty well to me, so not sure why you think that?
It's important to read the whole book and not just a chapter. I find it a bit disturbing that when someone is put in a position of trust that they put a lot of (employers) intimate family details in the public domain. I wonder if you would employ a person who did that?
Yes I also hope it works out ok for him.
I'm doing ok, and thanks for the concern.It's important to read the whole book and not just a chapter. I find it a bit disturbing that when someone is put in a position of trust that they put a lot of (employers) intimate family details in the public domain. I wonder if you would employ a person who did that?
Yes I also hope it works out ok for him.
The world does not owe me a favour, the rock bottom posts were wrote when I really genuinely was at rock bottom. I posted on here as an outlet and am truly grateful to the advice and offers of help I had from a lot of genuine PH's.
When you are backed into a corner through no fault of your own you, or perhaps maybe just me personally, I did feel a bit hard done by. To have the only profession you have ever known taken away from you on some very dubious grounds is a very bitter pill to swallow.
If you as an individual can go through losing your parents, your in-laws and then suffer a major injury resulting in financial ruin and the loss of your career, unscathed, then you clearly are a much better individual than I. Well done.
Never happy, ungrateful etc, b
ks.Did you read the whole book or just a chapter on what you have mentioned? I never mentioned any of the families personal or private information here or anywhere it's not my style. As clearly stated I was just trying to get as much info that I could on a situation that was happening at that time in the hope that I could be as prepared as possible with events as they unfolded.
I do feel it's a shame that the full time job didn't come off, but I was not prepared to carry on giving 110% for less than minimum wage. The basic maths just didn't up, or am I doing it wrong?
Edit, not below minimum wage, but still not worth it imho.
Edited by chilistrucker on Wednesday 28th September 09:30
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