25 with no career prospects, feel like a waster
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okgo said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Do you ever post anything else on PH other than indications that you have a good salary?
If you wanna borrow a tenner just ask, geez.I was actually genuinely asking, my salary would barely pay the house cleaners of some on here, that much I know.
Also - OP, you've received plenty of good advice, but all you've done is what a child does when presented with a plate of food it's never seen before and going 'I don't like it' before you've even tried it. I am usually a patient and understanding person with stuff like this, and just like trying solutions rather than berating people, but your attitude would test the softest, gooeyist of hearts.
I think you are after someone to say poor you, stoke your hair and say 'it must be so hard'.
I can understand your girlfriend being a bit snippy with you - you seem to resent her success, and all you talk about is not how proud you are of her, but how her success makes you feel bad about yourself.
I bet she feels grade A fan-f
king-tastic about that!Some of us are very lucky, and do jobs we love. Though to be honest they aren't that lucky, they are mostly determined and hard workers. Most of us do our professions as they are our stock in trade.
Everyone says 'work should be your passion' which is twaddle, I bet for 97% of people it isn't. It's interesting enough maybe, pays the bills. I would love to work in motorsport media - but ultimately there are a lot of people who do and very few positions. So I do it as a hobby and always keep and eye out for any opportunities or things I can take advantage of to maybe make it happen. But until then I will keep doing they day job and accept it may never happen.
It'd be great to work in your passion, but you can't sit at home doing nothing until your calling presents itself (because it never will!).
To use a metaphor, you are in a hole and have asked for help to get out. So many people on here have reached out and offered their hand to help you get out. But as they are not just lifting you straight out, you seem to be rejecting their hands on the basis you'll have to do some climbing yourself.
And be nice to your girlfriend and actually take pride and joy in her achievements, you never know, you may even cheer up.
Incorrect on most counts there VM. Shrink may not be the role for you.
OP is not in a place dissimilar to me a few years back, bar the moody woman, so its interesting to see the opinions on this that and the other. Personally I don't think the military for the sake of self discipline shaping is required. The only way to get out of the rut is to develop a bit of get up and go. You'll be surprised at where you can get to with that and the ability to sell yourself a bit.
OP is not in a place dissimilar to me a few years back, bar the moody woman, so its interesting to see the opinions on this that and the other. Personally I don't think the military for the sake of self discipline shaping is required. The only way to get out of the rut is to develop a bit of get up and go. You'll be surprised at where you can get to with that and the ability to sell yourself a bit.
Vocal Minority said:
Also - OP, you've received plenty of good advice, but all you've done is what a child does when presented with a plate of food it's never seen before and going 'I don't like it' before you've even tried it. I am usually a patient and understanding person with stuff like this, and just like trying solutions rather than berating people, but your attitude would test the softest, gooeyist of hearts.
Some of us are very lucky, and do jobs we love. Though to be honest they aren't that lucky, they are mostly determined and hard workers. Most of us do our professions as they are our stock in trade.
Everyone says 'work should be your passion' which is twaddle, I bet for 97% of people it isn't.
It'd be great to work in your passion, but you can't sit at home doing nothing until your calling presents itself (because it never will!).
Put much better than I could.Some of us are very lucky, and do jobs we love. Though to be honest they aren't that lucky, they are mostly determined and hard workers. Most of us do our professions as they are our stock in trade.
Everyone says 'work should be your passion' which is twaddle, I bet for 97% of people it isn't.
It'd be great to work in your passion, but you can't sit at home doing nothing until your calling presents itself (because it never will!).
OP, if you are depressed then seek some help. Otherwise I think your problem is you are just a bit lazy and pessimistic. As much I hate to invoke Lord Tebbit, you need to get off your arse and get on your bike. No one is going to make it happen for you, there have been lots of supportive posts on here.
I don't have a degree - I am 47 and earnt CONSIDERABLY more than okgo did in his 20s, so I was well successful, obvs. I think it is a bit harder these days to get started if you don't have a degree, as more people do. But a bit harder, not impossible.
Haven't read the entire thread but when my daughter was struggling for career ideas I was suggesting setting herself up as a freelance computer/phone advisor for old folks, visiting them either individually or in groups to show them the basics and get them involved in a fun way on tintanet. Not many seem to be offering that service.
I haven't read the whole thread, but note you do attend the gym, you appear a little backward at coming forward and could do with some motivation.
Have you considered the Forces, specifically the Army in either REME, RE or Signals. All offer a wide range of trades and skills as well being instilled with the military ethos. Once you progress more qualifications can follow, all whilst being paid and an amount of life experiences thrown in for good measure. There is a career progression map and if you don't enter via Sandhurst you could gain a commission via the ranks. Or carry on in retail.
Have you considered the Forces, specifically the Army in either REME, RE or Signals. All offer a wide range of trades and skills as well being instilled with the military ethos. Once you progress more qualifications can follow, all whilst being paid and an amount of life experiences thrown in for good measure. There is a career progression map and if you don't enter via Sandhurst you could gain a commission via the ranks. Or carry on in retail.
okgo said:
Incorrect on most counts there VM. Shrink may not be the role for you.
OP is not in a place dissimilar to me a few years back, bar the moody woman, so its interesting to see the opinions on this that and the other. Personally I don't think the military for the sake of self discipline shaping is required. The only way to get out of the rut is to develop a bit of get up and go. You'll be surprised at where you can get to with that and the ability to sell yourself a bit.
I do lack drive, and i know its due to depression. Its hard to break from since SSRI's dont work, ive tried 3 or 4 different ones in the past. I maintain the gym 3-4 times a week and still seek pleasure in riding my motorbike at least. OP is not in a place dissimilar to me a few years back, bar the moody woman, so its interesting to see the opinions on this that and the other. Personally I don't think the military for the sake of self discipline shaping is required. The only way to get out of the rut is to develop a bit of get up and go. You'll be surprised at where you can get to with that and the ability to sell yourself a bit.
I looked at RAF etc and a lot of them require minimum 12 years, thats way too long to just go for it and see what happens.
There is one job i'd love to do. British Gas are offering apprenticeships as a smart meter expert, since smart meters will be mandatory soon, they've hired loads as apprenticeships and within a year you'll be on 25k, with no maximum age limit to apply.
I check the site daily since there are no vacancies in my area. I applied for the vacancy in Warwick but despite me passing the online assessments, it was rejected because i live too far away.
Personally i dont see why they cant train me at the academy then move me to my living area.
The job sounds good though, visiting different homes every day, seeing new faces, a tiny bit of retail involved (offering better plans to the customer) with your own van and equipment.
Just something varied like that with semi decent pay is ideal, rather than stuck in an office getting square eyes on a computer
If you actually are depressed, you may find getting into the armed forces challenging.
I'd strongly suggest getting on and doing something. All of the time you're waiting to figure out what you want to do you could actually be out there doing something. Who knows, you might even find a passion that way.
Given that many people don't know what 'career' they want for many years, better to just get on with something.
I'd strongly suggest getting on and doing something. All of the time you're waiting to figure out what you want to do you could actually be out there doing something. Who knows, you might even find a passion that way.
Given that many people don't know what 'career' they want for many years, better to just get on with something.
EazyDuz said:
I looked at RAF etc and a lot of them require minimum 12 years, thats way too long to just go for it and see what happens.
Garbage. Do your research properly. Visit the careers office, speak to people in the services. Arrange a visit to a Base to see what goes on (do this via the careers office or someone in the services if you know them). Don't wait for them to come knocking on your door - get off your ass and sort it. Today. I did and its the best thing I ever did. You aren't stuck in for 12 years. You can hand your notice in at any time you like. You might have a 1 or 2 year payback period depending what trade specific courses you attend.
Yes, you'd sign an initial 12 year contract but that gives YOU the security of knowing you have a solid job/career for the next decade (or 30+ years if you want it)
Edited by DuraAce on Tuesday 19th July 12:19
DuraAce said:
Garbage. Do your research properly. Visit the careers office, speak to people in the services. Arrange a visit to a Base to see what goes on (do this via the careers office or someone in the services if you know them). Don't wait for them to come knocking on your door - get off your ass and sort it. Today. I did and its the best thing I ever did.
You aren't stuck in for 12 years. You can hand your notice in at any time you like. You might have a 1 or 2 year payback period depending what trade specific courses you attend.
Yes, you'd sign an initial 12 year contract but that gives YOU the security of knowing you have a solid job/career for the next decade (or 30+ years if you want it)
Not quite correct. You can't hand your notice in at any time - you will have to do 4 years minimumYou aren't stuck in for 12 years. You can hand your notice in at any time you like. You might have a 1 or 2 year payback period depending what trade specific courses you attend.
Yes, you'd sign an initial 12 year contract but that gives YOU the security of knowing you have a solid job/career for the next decade (or 30+ years if you want it)
Edited by DuraAce on Tuesday 19th July 12:19
bmw535i said:
Not quite correct. You can't hand your notice in at any time - you will have to do 4 years minimum
I meant following training and payback of your courses. With hindsight I could've explained it better!. Initial+trade training can take 18+ months (depending on trade choice) then you have a couple of years to "payback" your training and you're done (if you wish)DuraAce said:
I meant following training and payback of your courses. With hindsight I could've explained it better!. Initial+trade training can take 18+ months (depending on trade choice) then you have a couple of years to "payback" your training and you're done (if you wish)
That sounds a lot like uni, except at uni instead of earning while you work, you do placements for work experience. I'd prefer the uni route out of the 2, but first i need to narrow down a handful of careers and just aim for one, whether that requires uni or not i dont know yet. If you have a mild mental health concern, which may or may not be attributed to your search for work. I would advise against joining any of the forces, you'll come out with a much worse mental health problem.
Does joining the Army, Navy, RAF really fit with your life?
It looks like a lot of time running around doing menial tasks for people who didn't do very well at school, to me at least. You'll leave the army when your middle aged, then struggle to get a decent job afterwards.
Become educated or get an apprenticeship if possible. The army is for people who don't mind getting shot at, lunatics, nationalists and sadly, people who need to make a living.
You don't need a passion for anything really, if your not inclined to join the forces, I really wouldn't be considering it.
Does joining the Army, Navy, RAF really fit with your life?
It looks like a lot of time running around doing menial tasks for people who didn't do very well at school, to me at least. You'll leave the army when your middle aged, then struggle to get a decent job afterwards.
Become educated or get an apprenticeship if possible. The army is for people who don't mind getting shot at, lunatics, nationalists and sadly, people who need to make a living.
You don't need a passion for anything really, if your not inclined to join the forces, I really wouldn't be considering it.
Sparkzz said:
If you have a mild mental health concern, which may or may not be attributed to your search for work. I would advise against joining any of the forces, you'll come out with a much worse mental health problem.
Does joining the Army, Navy, RAF really fit with your life?
It looks like a lot of time running around doing menial tasks for people who didn't do very well at school, to me at least. You'll leave the army when your middle aged, then struggle to get a decent job afterwards.
Become educated or get an apprenticeship if possible. The army is for people who don't mind getting shot at, lunatics, nationalists and sadly, people who need to make a living.
You don't need a passion for anything really, if your not inclined to join the forces, I really wouldn't be considering it.
Does joining the Army, Navy, RAF really fit with your life?
It looks like a lot of time running around doing menial tasks for people who didn't do very well at school, to me at least. You'll leave the army when your middle aged, then struggle to get a decent job afterwards.
Become educated or get an apprenticeship if possible. The army is for people who don't mind getting shot at, lunatics, nationalists and sadly, people who need to make a living.
You don't need a passion for anything really, if your not inclined to join the forces, I really wouldn't be considering it.
you don't like soldiers then?johnwilliams77 said:
limpsfield said:
Mine's gone after 20k happy miles-need to update my profile. Boxster now, much easier for people to recognise that I am considerably richer than them.
I find evora is better for reactions than the poverty porsche.Sparkzz said:
If you have a mild mental health concern, which may or may not be attributed to your search for work. I would advise against joining any of the forces, you'll come out with a much worse mental health problem.
Does joining the Army, Navy, RAF really fit with your life?
It looks like a lot of time running around doing menial tasks for people who didn't do very well at school, to me at least. You'll leave the army when your middle aged, then struggle to get a decent job afterwards.
Become educated or get an apprenticeship if possible. The army is for people who don't mind getting shot at, lunatics, nationalists and sadly, people who need to make a living.
You don't need a passion for anything really, if your not inclined to join the forces, I really wouldn't be considering it.
I dont want to anyway, apprenticeship would be the way to go. Unfortunately after age 25 they're very hard to come by as the government makes the business fund the education once you're at that age.Does joining the Army, Navy, RAF really fit with your life?
It looks like a lot of time running around doing menial tasks for people who didn't do very well at school, to me at least. You'll leave the army when your middle aged, then struggle to get a decent job afterwards.
Become educated or get an apprenticeship if possible. The army is for people who don't mind getting shot at, lunatics, nationalists and sadly, people who need to make a living.
You don't need a passion for anything really, if your not inclined to join the forces, I really wouldn't be considering it.
There are degree apprenticeships but on the apprenticeship website, when you search for degree level, and choose 'England', Search results: 0
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