Bit of an advise on possibility of dismissal :(
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Wow this is creepy. Not sure why but somehow I got a bit suspicious about the person who contacted me on LinkedIn so I've Google Image searched and guess what?
Person who contacted me has another profile on LinkedIn totally same picture but complete different person!
I shouldn't have gave out my mobile number...really regret it now. Please be aware of who you give information on in LinkedIn!
Person who contacted me has another profile on LinkedIn totally same picture but complete different person!
I shouldn't have gave out my mobile number...really regret it now. Please be aware of who you give information on in LinkedIn!
OP - tell your employers that you will relocate but it will take time to sell yours and find another, ask if they will pay your sales fees and legal costs to waste some HR time and resources Take time to search for new place to live all the while using the time for more job searches and interviews. They are getting ready to f
k you over, you do the fking!!
Good luck!
k you over, you do the fking!!Good luck!
crazy about cars said:
Wow this is creepy. Not sure why but somehow I got a bit suspicious about the person who contacted me on LinkedIn so I've Google Image searched and guess what?
Person who contacted me has another profile on LinkedIn totally same picture but complete different person!
I shouldn't have gave out my mobile number...really regret it now. Please be aware of who you give information on in LinkedIn!
Indeed; I was persuaded to join it a while back but have found it to be pretty much a complete waste of time.Person who contacted me has another profile on LinkedIn totally same picture but complete different person!
I shouldn't have gave out my mobile number...really regret it now. Please be aware of who you give information on in LinkedIn!
elanfan said:
OP - tell your employers that you will relocate but it will take time to sell yours and find another, ask if they will pay your sales fees and legal costs to waste some HR time and resources Take time to search for new place to live all the while using the time for more job searches and interviews. They are getting ready to fk you over, you do the fking!!
Good luck!
Thanks for the well wishes! k you over, you do the fking!!Good luck!
I don't think lying to my current employers will help my situation. This would probably result in a disciplinary and make it easier for them to dismiss me. Even when I was saying I'll think about it I was asked countless times how many houses have I viewed etc. I guess their interpretation of "no pressure" is different from mine...
Can feel myself slipping into pits of depression on first day back work after that meeting.
I am telling myself at this stage there's nothing formal being said and I still have chance to claw it back and time to look for other jobs.
Funk said:
Indeed; I was persuaded to join it a while back but have found it to be pretty much a complete waste of time.
In my experience it does help to widen professional network hence why I've been naive and never suspected that someone would actually do this kind of thing. Not a very good timing for me as well as I've actually cheered up a bit initially on prospect of new job. Ah well, moving on...Sit tight, stay cool, the next move is theirs to make.
Keep your head down and wait for the call in to the board room to discuss options. If they want to part ways then that's ace (dont forget, there's not really much you can do other than move to influence their decision, and even then it sounds like they'll pick on you for something else) as it gets closer to a resolution. This will be a test of patience and you've got to keep your cool
You dont need to be the first one to blink here
Avoid HR, they're going to be useless and will have leaky gobs. They're not there for you anyway, they're there for the company and wont rock the boat. They might be advising managers already on how to send you on your way, so you dont want to put someone in a position.
Options as I see them - ride it out, give less fks about it and wait to see what's coming. Have a rough plan in the background (3 months salary, your holidays paid out and a reference) as a parting payment, and do some polishing up on your CV.
If they start performance management, do not under any circumstances concede you could have done better or more because a) it's already happened and you cant change it and b) it'll be used against you for underperformance. Talk them in to getting performance management to have a start point and from that point on, that's where you both look at how it's gone. Not on what's gone before. Otherwise all sorts of stuff from the past where you didnt take a call and someone was waiting will get brought up and you''ll have to find a decence
Stay cool, stay positive and dont feel it's a personal attack
Keep your head down and wait for the call in to the board room to discuss options. If they want to part ways then that's ace (dont forget, there's not really much you can do other than move to influence their decision, and even then it sounds like they'll pick on you for something else) as it gets closer to a resolution. This will be a test of patience and you've got to keep your cool
You dont need to be the first one to blink here
Avoid HR, they're going to be useless and will have leaky gobs. They're not there for you anyway, they're there for the company and wont rock the boat. They might be advising managers already on how to send you on your way, so you dont want to put someone in a position.
Options as I see them - ride it out, give less f
ks about it and wait to see what's coming. Have a rough plan in the background (3 months salary, your holidays paid out and a reference) as a parting payment, and do some polishing up on your CV. If they start performance management, do not under any circumstances concede you could have done better or more because a) it's already happened and you cant change it and b) it'll be used against you for underperformance. Talk them in to getting performance management to have a start point and from that point on, that's where you both look at how it's gone. Not on what's gone before. Otherwise all sorts of stuff from the past where you didnt take a call and someone was waiting will get brought up and you''ll have to find a decence
Stay cool, stay positive and dont feel it's a personal attack
Edited by andy-xr on Monday 11th July 10:28
andy-xr said:
Sit tight, stay cool, the next move is theirs to make.
Keep your head down and wait for the call in to the board room to discuss options. If they want to part ways then that's ace (dont forget, there's not really much you can do other than move to influence their decision, and even then it sounds like they'll pick on you for something else) as it gets closer to a resolution. This will be a test of patience and you've got to keep your cool
You dont need to be the first one to blink here
Avoid HR, they're going to be useless and will have leaky gobs. They're not there for you anyway, they're there for the company and wont rock the boat. They might be advising managers already on how to send you on your way, so you dont want to put someone in a position.
Options as I see them - ride it out, give less fks about it and wait to see what's coming. Have a rough plan in the background (3 months salary, your holidays paid out and a reference) as a parting payment, and do some polishing up on your CV.
If they start performance management, do not under any circumstances concede you could have done better or more because a) it's already happened and you cant change it and b) it'll be used against you for underperformance. Talk them in to getting performance management to have a start point and from that point on, that's where you both look at how it's gone. Not on what's gone before. Otherwise all sorts of stuff from the past where you didnt take a call and someone was waiting will get brought up and you''ll have to find a decence
Stay cool, stay positive and dont feel it's a personal attack
Thanks for the brilliant advice Andy especially the bit on performance improvement. Never thought that by admitting I've done better could be used against me.Keep your head down and wait for the call in to the board room to discuss options. If they want to part ways then that's ace (dont forget, there's not really much you can do other than move to influence their decision, and even then it sounds like they'll pick on you for something else) as it gets closer to a resolution. This will be a test of patience and you've got to keep your cool
You dont need to be the first one to blink here
Avoid HR, they're going to be useless and will have leaky gobs. They're not there for you anyway, they're there for the company and wont rock the boat. They might be advising managers already on how to send you on your way, so you dont want to put someone in a position.
Options as I see them - ride it out, give less f
ks about it and wait to see what's coming. Have a rough plan in the background (3 months salary, your holidays paid out and a reference) as a parting payment, and do some polishing up on your CV. If they start performance management, do not under any circumstances concede you could have done better or more because a) it's already happened and you cant change it and b) it'll be used against you for underperformance. Talk them in to getting performance management to have a start point and from that point on, that's where you both look at how it's gone. Not on what's gone before. Otherwise all sorts of stuff from the past where you didnt take a call and someone was waiting will get brought up and you''ll have to find a decence
Stay cool, stay positive and dont feel it's a personal attack
Edited by andy-xr on Monday 11th July 10:28
Could be light at end of tunnel but got several calls from recruiters today to my mobile and 2 of them could turn into something positive. Fingers crossed and all eh?
Edited by crazy about cars on Monday 11th July 19:26
This is completely your call n'all, but I would sit tight and not interview yet. Recruiters dont really count anyway, as 10:1 will come to nothing other than spending time rewriting your CV and listening to their bks on a call.
A new job at the moment, you'd not be exploiting the opportunity infront of you. It sounds like they want you out, which is fine, but you've got to consider yourself in this.
A basic offer to me would look like a months notice (or more if your contract states it) paid out, your holidays and 1 weeks pay for each year you've served. A reasonable and well negotiated offer would look like 3 months payment ex gratia, your notice period and your holidays. A really really good offer would be 6 months paid out, but chances are really slim.
So, I think you have to ask yourself a question, whether you care about the money basically.
You could leave now after giving notice, walk into another job and love it. You could leave now, work your notice, walk into another job, hate it and wish you could walk out and spend a few months looking for something else, which is where the above cash would come in handy. Or you could be out on your ear with nowt to go to.
I'd personally, and this is just me, your situation/mood/needs will be different just sit it out and not blink.
From what you've said, and this is what my thoughts are based on, you've done nothing that would put you up for the firing line, they dont have anything to back that up with either, so if they get rid of you they're walking the line with an unfair dismissal / contract breach or they're going to give you money to shut up and go
ETA - prepare for the option where they try and make your life difficult in the hope that you quit
ks on a call. A new job at the moment, you'd not be exploiting the opportunity infront of you. It sounds like they want you out, which is fine, but you've got to consider yourself in this.
A basic offer to me would look like a months notice (or more if your contract states it) paid out, your holidays and 1 weeks pay for each year you've served. A reasonable and well negotiated offer would look like 3 months payment ex gratia, your notice period and your holidays. A really really good offer would be 6 months paid out, but chances are really slim.
So, I think you have to ask yourself a question, whether you care about the money basically.
You could leave now after giving notice, walk into another job and love it. You could leave now, work your notice, walk into another job, hate it and wish you could walk out and spend a few months looking for something else, which is where the above cash would come in handy. Or you could be out on your ear with nowt to go to.
I'd personally, and this is just me, your situation/mood/needs will be different just sit it out and not blink.
From what you've said, and this is what my thoughts are based on, you've done nothing that would put you up for the firing line, they dont have anything to back that up with either, so if they get rid of you they're walking the line with an unfair dismissal / contract breach or they're going to give you money to shut up and go
ETA - prepare for the option where they try and make your life difficult in the hope that you quit
Edited by andy-xr on Tuesday 12th July 10:48
andy-xr said:
This is completely your call n'all, but I would sit tight and not interview yet. Recruiters dont really count anyway, as 10:1 will come to nothing other than spending time rewriting your CV and listening to their bks on a call.
A new job at the moment, you'd not be exploiting the opportunity infront of you. It sounds like they want you out, which is fine, but you've got to consider yourself in this.
A basic offer to me would look like a months notice (or more if your contract states it) paid out, your holidays and 1 weeks pay for each year you've served. A reasonable and well negotiated offer would look like 3 months payment ex gratia, your notice period and your holidays. A really really good offer would be 6 months paid out, but chances are really slim.
So, I think you have to ask yourself a question, whether you care about the money basically.
You could leave now after giving notice, walk into another job and love it. You could leave now, work your notice, walk into another job, hate it and wish you could walk out and spend a few months looking for something else, which is where the above cash would come in handy. Or you could be out on your ear with nowt to go to.
This good advice. Playing it cool is key. I am amazed how employers manage to cock these situations up and leave themselves exposed. Performance management can be a real hassle and managers typically don't like doing it as it means more work for no reward unless they have a personal vendetta against the employee.
I'd personally, and this is just me, your situation/mood/needs will be different just sit it out and not blink.
From what you've said, and this is what my thoughts are based on, you've done nothing that would put you up for the firing line, they dont have anything to back that up with either, so if they get rid of you they're walking the line with an unfair dismissal / contract breach or they're going to give you money to shut up and go
ETA - prepare for the option where they try and make your life difficult in the hope that you quit
ks on a call. A new job at the moment, you'd not be exploiting the opportunity infront of you. It sounds like they want you out, which is fine, but you've got to consider yourself in this.
A basic offer to me would look like a months notice (or more if your contract states it) paid out, your holidays and 1 weeks pay for each year you've served. A reasonable and well negotiated offer would look like 3 months payment ex gratia, your notice period and your holidays. A really really good offer would be 6 months paid out, but chances are really slim.
So, I think you have to ask yourself a question, whether you care about the money basically.
You could leave now after giving notice, walk into another job and love it. You could leave now, work your notice, walk into another job, hate it and wish you could walk out and spend a few months looking for something else, which is where the above cash would come in handy. Or you could be out on your ear with nowt to go to.
This good advice. Playing it cool is key. I am amazed how employers manage to cock these situations up and leave themselves exposed. Performance management can be a real hassle and managers typically don't like doing it as it means more work for no reward unless they have a personal vendetta against the employee.
I'd personally, and this is just me, your situation/mood/needs will be different just sit it out and not blink.
From what you've said, and this is what my thoughts are based on, you've done nothing that would put you up for the firing line, they dont have anything to back that up with either, so if they get rid of you they're walking the line with an unfair dismissal / contract breach or they're going to give you money to shut up and go
ETA - prepare for the option where they try and make your life difficult in the hope that you quit
Edited by andy-xr on Tuesday 12th July 10:48
I would go to Personnel. I'd write a letter saying that this person is victimising you, that he is trying to suggest that your job is at threat if you don't move even though you have worked at the same office for 5 years, and that he is making unjustified comments about your performance when in 5 years your performance has never been in question. Give examples. This is victimisation. You say that you believe that he wants to remove you and you will not allow it. You say that if this is not resolved to your satisfaction then you will escalate it to the Company Grievance Procedure. You then leave Personnel and you line manager's manager to give him a good kicking (and they will) and one of 2 things will happen. You'll get suspended on full pay while they thrash out a deal and offer you money to FO, or the tell numbnuts to bacl off or he'll be the one with the P45.
Alternatively, you let them ride roughshod over you and make you miserable. If you take this latter course, Boots sell Vaseline, and this will make what comes next easier.
Who's in charge of your career? You are. So take charge. Who the F is this TW&T who thinks he can take your job away? If someone did that to you in the pub he'd get f*ed up, so take that spirit into the workplace. Don't punch him, obviously, but take exactly that degree of fight to the match, and deal with him within the rules. They either play by the rules or they pay you off. Wjat they don't get is to give you a hard time until you slide off on the chep.
Alternatively, you let them ride roughshod over you and make you miserable. If you take this latter course, Boots sell Vaseline, and this will make what comes next easier.
Who's in charge of your career? You are. So take charge. Who the F is this TW&T who thinks he can take your job away? If someone did that to you in the pub he'd get f*ed up, so take that spirit into the workplace. Don't punch him, obviously, but take exactly that degree of fight to the match, and deal with him within the rules. They either play by the rules or they pay you off. Wjat they don't get is to give you a hard time until you slide off on the chep.
battered said:
I would go to Personnel. I'd write a letter saying that this person is victimising you, that he is trying to suggest that your job is at threat if you don't move even though you have worked at the same office for 5 years, and that he is making unjustified comments about your performance when in 5 years your performance has never been in question. Give examples. This is victimisation. You say that you believe that he wants to remove you and you will not allow it. You say that if this is not resolved to your satisfaction then you will escalate it to the Company Grievance Procedure. You then leave Personnel and you line manager's manager to give him a good kicking (and they will) and one of 2 things will happen. You'll get suspended on full pay while they thrash out a deal and offer you money to FO, or the tell numbnuts to bacl off or he'll be the one with the P45.
Alternatively, you let them ride roughshod over you and make you miserable. If you take this latter course, Boots sell Vaseline, and this will make what comes next easier.
Who's in charge of your career? You are. So take charge. Who the F is this TW&T who thinks he can take your job away? If someone did that to you in the pub he'd get f*ed up, so take that spirit into the workplace. Don't punch him, obviously, but take exactly that degree of fight to the match, and deal with him within the rules. They either play by the rules or they pay you off. Wjat they don't get is to give you a hard time until you slide off on the chep.
OP, I'd ignore this and take the good advice posted by others further up the page.Alternatively, you let them ride roughshod over you and make you miserable. If you take this latter course, Boots sell Vaseline, and this will make what comes next easier.
Who's in charge of your career? You are. So take charge. Who the F is this TW&T who thinks he can take your job away? If someone did that to you in the pub he'd get f*ed up, so take that spirit into the workplace. Don't punch him, obviously, but take exactly that degree of fight to the match, and deal with him within the rules. They either play by the rules or they pay you off. Wjat they don't get is to give you a hard time until you slide off on the chep.
Thanks again for the input guys
I feel I'm not the only one in my department feeling left out but unfortunately looks like I'm the one with a bullseye painted on my head.
Bottom line is, once I've heard words like "don't see how to justify your role in the team" I just don't feel that I belong anymore. I know I wouldn't be happy staying as I would be worrying everyday about my future here. It's a shame as this is a role and company I can see myself progress through the years but unfortunately that's not what's intended of me.
I won't escalate any further at this point and will just carry on as discussed. I've recently had some dealings with HR (someone based in HQ) specifically about working hour terms in my contract and the reply was very defensive so I don't think I will raise this with HR for now. If there's clear documented evidence that I've been unfairly treated or perhaps if I have a job in the bag then I will get in contact with HR. I will try to contact someone I had dealings in the past instead of the person who sits in HQ. I think she is sub-contracted and was very helpful (travelled to my site to personally disusss things over with me)
I've been offered an interview next week. This is with a very small company with double the commuting miles however the pay is good and there's progression chance. The role itself is not strictly defined yet so there's a chance for me to negotiate this with the company. This is certainly better than turning to work everyday worrying that something bad will happen any time.
p/s: heard from long serving colleague redundancy is almost never offered, most have been "managed out the door" i.e. find reasons to make you leave or sack you.
I feel I'm not the only one in my department feeling left out but unfortunately looks like I'm the one with a bullseye painted on my head.
Bottom line is, once I've heard words like "don't see how to justify your role in the team" I just don't feel that I belong anymore. I know I wouldn't be happy staying as I would be worrying everyday about my future here. It's a shame as this is a role and company I can see myself progress through the years but unfortunately that's not what's intended of me.
I won't escalate any further at this point and will just carry on as discussed. I've recently had some dealings with HR (someone based in HQ) specifically about working hour terms in my contract and the reply was very defensive so I don't think I will raise this with HR for now. If there's clear documented evidence that I've been unfairly treated or perhaps if I have a job in the bag then I will get in contact with HR. I will try to contact someone I had dealings in the past instead of the person who sits in HQ. I think she is sub-contracted and was very helpful (travelled to my site to personally disusss things over with me)
I've been offered an interview next week. This is with a very small company with double the commuting miles however the pay is good and there's progression chance. The role itself is not strictly defined yet so there's a chance for me to negotiate this with the company. This is certainly better than turning to work everyday worrying that something bad will happen any time.
p/s: heard from long serving colleague redundancy is almost never offered, most have been "managed out the door" i.e. find reasons to make you leave or sack you.
crazy about cars said:
t's a shame as this is a role and company I can see myself progress through the years
crazy about cars said:
p/s: heard from long serving colleague redundancy is almost never offered, most have been "managed out the door" i.e. find reasons to make you leave or sack you.
I've said a bit too much on this thread really, but these two comments dont make sense. They're giving you st, you're taking it, apologising and making excuses for them and taking some more st.I dont have an agenda, like I dont need you to take on what I'm suggesting to feel somehow good about myself - that's not why I'm commenting, but employment is a 2 way street, much as employers deserve to be treated with fairness and respect, it has to be both ways. Often it's not, and that's where problems start. The temptation to be thankful to an employer for giving you a job is so high for many people that they dont realise they're the statue, and the employer is the pigeon.
You're being s
t on and you're saying thanks and making excuses as to why it's OK, to make it fit your needs. You lose your self worth doing that.
battered said:
I would go to Personnel. I'd write a letter saying that this person is victimising you, that he is trying to suggest that your job is at threat if you don't move even though you have worked at the same office for 5 years, and that he is making unjustified comments about your performance when in 5 years your performance has never been in question. Give examples. This is victimisation. You say that you believe that he wants to remove you and you will not allow it. You say that if this is not resolved to your satisfaction then you will escalate it to the Company Grievance Procedure. You then leave Personnel and you line manager's manager to give him a good kicking (and they will) and one of 2 things will happen. You'll get suspended on full pay while they thrash out a deal and offer you money to FO, or the tell numbnuts to bacl off or he'll be the one with the P45.
Alternatively, you let them ride roughshod over you and make you miserable. If you take this latter course, Boots sell Vaseline, and this will make what comes next easier.
Who's in charge of your career? You are. So take charge. Who the F is this TW&T who thinks he can take your job away? If someone did that to you in the pub he'd get f*ed up, so take that spirit into the workplace. Don't punch him, obviously, but take exactly that degree of fight to the match, and deal with him within the rules. They either play by the rules or they pay you off. Wjat they don't get is to give you a hard time until you slide off on the chep.
A lot of truth there.Alternatively, you let them ride roughshod over you and make you miserable. If you take this latter course, Boots sell Vaseline, and this will make what comes next easier.
Who's in charge of your career? You are. So take charge. Who the F is this TW&T who thinks he can take your job away? If someone did that to you in the pub he'd get f*ed up, so take that spirit into the workplace. Don't punch him, obviously, but take exactly that degree of fight to the match, and deal with him within the rules. They either play by the rules or they pay you off. Wjat they don't get is to give you a hard time until you slide off on the chep.
I had a similar situation some years ago after our company was merged with another. We got most of their senior management and many of our best people were made redundant at the time. I wasn't but after a year or so, I started getting vague reports of 'dissatisfaction' with my performance (never attributed to anyone) and a laughable review where my manager listed a number of things that I 'thought' or 'felt', which I had never expressed. I refused to sign this review. I was even accused of having been to an interview with a competitor (He 'knew' I'd been to this interview, which showed 'disloyalty' and he was shaking with rage as he confronted me with this - Interesting as it had never actually happened, but of course my 'accuser' remained anonymous...)
In the end I chose to take control of the situation, quit and it was a good decision for me, but not everyone is in such a strong position as I was then (solid savings reserve, mortgage nearly paid off), which clearly makes a difference.
However, I made sure to provide lots of feedback on the manager who was trying to manage me out of the door and he was fired a couple of months later, partly as a result (to the relief of many who remained, he really defined the concept of being "promoted to the level of your incompetence" in so many ways).
M
Edited by marcosgt on Wednesday 13th July 10:17
andy-xr said:
I've said a bit too much on this thread really, but these two comments dont make sense. They're giving you st, you're taking it, apologising and making excuses for them and taking some more st.
I dont have an agenda, like I dont need you to take on what I'm suggesting to feel somehow good about myself - that's not why I'm commenting, but employment is a 2 way street, much as employers deserve to be treated with fairness and respect, it has to be both ways. Often it's not, and that's where problems start. The temptation to be thankful to an employer for giving you a job is so high for many people that they dont realise they're the statue, and the employer is the pigeon.
You're being st on and you're saying thanks and making excuses as to why it's OK, to make it fit your needs.
You lose your self worth doing that.
Well what I was trying to say was when I first joined this company things were different and I really do feel like I have a future here. Things quickly went downhill when new head of department started and the boss that hired me left the company.t, you're taking it, apologising and making excuses for them and taking some more st.I dont have an agenda, like I dont need you to take on what I'm suggesting to feel somehow good about myself - that's not why I'm commenting, but employment is a 2 way street, much as employers deserve to be treated with fairness and respect, it has to be both ways. Often it's not, and that's where problems start. The temptation to be thankful to an employer for giving you a job is so high for many people that they dont realise they're the statue, and the employer is the pigeon.
You're being s
t on and you're saying thanks and making excuses as to why it's OK, to make it fit your needs. You lose your self worth doing that.
Second comment is that there's never (or rarely) any redundancy offered. People are managed out of the door. I've seen few recent examples with my own eyes.
I know I'm being s
t on but I have a family to support and I can't risk getting fired or jeopardise future employment chances. For the record I'm not saying it's ok how I'm treated, I'm definitely not happy but need to watch what I do as I'm not in a position to escalate this any further at the moment.Still appreciate your honest opinions though
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