Discrimination of injured military vets?

[5ohmustang]

An old friend contacted me today. Like you he is an Army Vet. Medboarded at E4. He is using his g.i. bill at full time college (so that's E5 BAH), while he gets his disability pay from the v.a. He told me he can only earn over a certain amount or he loses his disability. This does not sound correct with veteran disability. I know it applies for regular social security disability but not for v.a.

The sad part is that more medical problems are coming to light that were not documented during his time in service. I do not look forward the day I have to visit the v.a. My father in law who is a Vietnam vet still has medical issues to this day. I believe he gave up on V.A. fixing him a long time ago.

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5ohmustang said:

An old friend contacted me today. Like you he is an Army Vet. Medboarded at E4. He is using his g.i. bill at full time college (so that's E5 BAH), while he gets his disability pay from the v.a. He told me he can only earn over a certain amount or he loses his disability. This does not sound correct with veteran disability. I know it applies for regular social security disability but not for v.a.

The sad part is that more medical problems are coming to light that were not documented during his time in service. I do not look forward the day I have to visit the v.a. My father in law who is a Vietnam vet still has medical issues to this day. I believe he gave up on V.A. fixing him a long time ago.

If only the US had some kind of Health Service which was National.... or invaded slightly fewer countries....

[Munter]

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If only the US had some kind of Health Service which was National.... or invaded slightly fewer countries....

I really don't think we in the UK want to get into a game of "Who's invaded the least places". There used to be an awful lot of pink on world maps...

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Munter said:

I really don't think we in the UK want to get into a game of "Who's invaded the least places". There used to be an awful lot of pink on world maps...

The point I was (somewhat cack-handedly)making was that if you are going to invade places you need to be prepared to pay for health services to look after the soldiers who get injured. It's all well and good saying "Thank you for your service" but wouldn't it be better to have a Health Service which looked after injured veterans instead, rather than thinking it's some kind of socialist commie Utopia?

[5ohmustang]

I have seen the national health service's ability the take care of UK veterans, it is a disgrace. The fact that you would even suggest it is bonkers.

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5ohmustang said:

I have seen the national health service's ability the take care of UK veterans, it is a disgrace.

Of course you have.

[Charlie1986]

5ohmustang said:

I have seen the national health service's ability the take care of UK veterans, it is a disgrace. The fact that you would even suggest it is bonkers.

After 9 operations and being resuscitated twice then being told i would not lift anything above my shoulders or play sports and work again after injuries sustained in Iraq i can say your assumption is bullst. The service i had could not have been better 5 years later I'm playing football cycling and have a good job i still get support from from the British Army.

[5ohmustang]

I am glad you got the care you needed. Credit to them in your case, however you there are a lot more that got the short end of the stick.

The NHS seems to think a 4 bedroom ward is not only acceptable, but world class health care. No it's not and neither is mixing military with civillian patients in the same ward.

The last thing I'd want when I am in pain, is to share a room with others and their families. It's supposed to be a rehabilition facility, not a field hospital, where you're going to have actual wards.

Not to mention if a service members family member wishes to stay the night, they should be able to. If you got your own room , then fairplay to the Nhs.

Then there are the waiting lists for treatments.

Having an armed forces covenent and actually implementing it are two
different matters.


Just a few of the failures of the Nhs to the military:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224235/Fo...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/army-hero-who...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29807947

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1530337/Mus...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/mar/11/health....

[Dusty964]

5ohmustang said:

I am glad you got the care you needed. Credit to them in your case, however you there are a lot more that got the short end of the stick.

The NHS seems to think a 4 bedroom ward is not only acceptable, but world class health care. No it's not and neither is mixing military with civillian patients in the same ward.

The last thing I'd want when I am in pain, is to share a room with others and their families. It's supposed to be a rehabilition facility, not a field hospital, where you're going to have actual wards.

Not to mention if a service members family member wishes to stay the night, they should be able to. If you got your own room , then fairplay to the Nhs.

Then there are the waiting lists for treatments.

Having an armed forces covenent and actually implementing it are two
different matters.


Just a few of the failures of the Nhs to the military:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224235/Fo...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/army-hero-who...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29807947

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1530337/Mus...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/mar/11/health....

If a non service members family member wants to stay the night, is that ok too, or should such privilages be reserved for the band of brothers.

[mph1977]

5ohmustang said:

I am glad you got the care you needed. Credit to them in your case, however you there are a lot more that got the short end of the stick.

The NHS seems to think a 4 bedroom ward is not only acceptable, but world class health care. No it's not and neither is mixing military with civillian patients in the same ward.

ah the fallacy that single rooms are the be all and end all of hospital care

mixing military and civilian patients is perfectly acceptable especially if it means they get the correct care
as this is only occuring in the acute hospital phase as Headley and the regional mil rehab units are service run units

5ohmustang said:

The last thing I'd want when I am in pain, is to share a room with others and their families. It's supposed to be a rehabilition facility, not a field hospital, where you're going to have actual wards.

i'm really not sure what your point is other than USAn cultural imperialism and the inability to see beyond what is the norm in the hugely overpriced and underperforming US lack of healthcare system

5ohmustang said:

Not to mention if a service members family member wishes to stay the night, they should be able to. If you got your own room , then fairplay to the Nhs.

AFAIK there is no difference in the rules with regard to people staying, many NHS tertiary units have 'guest ' accomodation either on site or easily to hand , QEH birmingham has a specific facility for military families on the QEH site , and will pay for accomodation where service personnel are being treated in other tertiary specialist centres ( e.g. Spinal injuries units as QEH is not the WMids RSIC - it;s been at Oswestry for many years and there;s no reason for it to relocate )

5ohmustang said:

Then there are the waiting lists for treatments.

you do realise that there are a number of routes to expedite treatment based on clinicla need and/or being current serving UK military or in reciept of a UK war pension

5ohmustang said:

Having an armed forces covenent and actually implementing it are two
different matters.

there;s a difference between a covenanat and the kind of over emotional wking the US engages in

[mph1977]

Charlie1986 said:

5ohmustang said:

I have seen the national health service's ability the take care of UK veterans, it is a disgrace. The fact that you would even suggest it is bonkers.

After 9 operations and being resuscitated twice then being told i would not lift anything above my shoulders or play sports and work again after injuries sustained in Iraq i can say your assumption is bullst. The service i had could not have been better 5 years later I'm playing football cycling and have a good job i still get support from from the British Army.

I doubt very much he's seen it betyond reading it in the bog papers ...

I doubt he's seen Headley in action or the regional recovery / rehab units ...

or the ongoing support