Dismissal - Appeal - Bullet Points
Discussion
Evening,
Quick summary:
Started work, few months into picked up an injury and informed manager who told me to see my own doc which i did, went back into work and informed manager my doc said what it was ,,, asked to see occy health and manager refused. Few months later and injury affected me so much had to go back to doctors due to pain waking me up at night, and he signed me off with various drugs and booked me into various tests (mri, nct and meeting with surgeon).
Fast forward to friday and get a letter saying Summary Dismissal (within 6 month probation period) due to sickness absence (with a few others but they are related to the absence).
So, i have been asked to appeal it and write a letter in "bullet points" on why that decision is wrong.
I need help (or at least pointers) into how to write the appeal.
Whilst i understand bullet points, just not how to write it into an appeal, having never done an appeal before.
Thanks
Quick summary:
Started work, few months into picked up an injury and informed manager who told me to see my own doc which i did, went back into work and informed manager my doc said what it was ,,, asked to see occy health and manager refused. Few months later and injury affected me so much had to go back to doctors due to pain waking me up at night, and he signed me off with various drugs and booked me into various tests (mri, nct and meeting with surgeon).
Fast forward to friday and get a letter saying Summary Dismissal (within 6 month probation period) due to sickness absence (with a few others but they are related to the absence).
So, i have been asked to appeal it and write a letter in "bullet points" on why that decision is wrong.
I need help (or at least pointers) into how to write the appeal.
Whilst i understand bullet points, just not how to write it into an appeal, having never done an appeal before.
Thanks
smudgerebt said:
Evening,
Quick summary:
Started work, few months into picked up an injury and informed manager who told me to see my own doc which i did, went back into work and informed manager my doc said what it was ,,, asked to see occy health and manager refused. Few months later and injury affected me so much had to go back to doctors due to pain waking me up at night, and he signed me off with various drugs and booked me into various tests (mri, nct and meeting with surgeon).
Fast forward to friday and get a letter saying Summary Dismissal (within 6 month probation period) due to sickness absence (with a few others but they are related to the absence).
So, i have been asked to appeal it and write a letter in "bullet points" on why that decision is wrong.
I need help (or at least pointers) into how to write the appeal.
Whilst i understand bullet points, just not how to write it into an appeal, having never done an appeal before.
Thanks
Sad to say that there really isnt much more that you can do - you can appeal but there is no real route due to this being within the 6 month probation period. They can dress it up however they want but if they have decided to let you go then thats pretty much it.Quick summary:
Started work, few months into picked up an injury and informed manager who told me to see my own doc which i did, went back into work and informed manager my doc said what it was ,,, asked to see occy health and manager refused. Few months later and injury affected me so much had to go back to doctors due to pain waking me up at night, and he signed me off with various drugs and booked me into various tests (mri, nct and meeting with surgeon).
Fast forward to friday and get a letter saying Summary Dismissal (within 6 month probation period) due to sickness absence (with a few others but they are related to the absence).
So, i have been asked to appeal it and write a letter in "bullet points" on why that decision is wrong.
I need help (or at least pointers) into how to write the appeal.
Whilst i understand bullet points, just not how to write it into an appeal, having never done an appeal before.
Thanks
But you say you have been told to appeal and try to convince them why they should keep you. That means it not all lost but they have a funny way of showing it.
You have been there and know a bit about what you are there to do, so try and emphasis that, why you can bring value to the role. Previous work have you long term sick there ?
1. role profile - how you fit in that role and what you can bring to the role.
2. Absence ? This is an out the blue situation never happened before ? emphasize this you have check able references to support ? You prepared to let them interrogate your doctor and medical files ? <=== important one an one that shows willingness to co-operate.
3. You would be willing to wipe the slate and start another 6 month period of probation.
Its my right arm.
Never had any problems with it before.
Started working at place, and got Tennis Elbow (but in a nice latin word) numb hands (sumilar to carpel tunnel) and now looking at surgery because of it.
If i an lucky its going to be physio and needles, if not lucky its under the knife.
As to them getting rid of me, maybe, but i have my medical records and after seeing my doc managed to get to see occy health, so its all recorded other than the manager refusing me to see occy health.
As said, will go get proper advice.
And if appeal succeeds the i could go back to light duties and work my way back to the job/health.
Rather be working than on the sick and in pain after all.
Never had any problems with it before.
Started working at place, and got Tennis Elbow (but in a nice latin word) numb hands (sumilar to carpel tunnel) and now looking at surgery because of it.
If i an lucky its going to be physio and needles, if not lucky its under the knife.
As to them getting rid of me, maybe, but i have my medical records and after seeing my doc managed to get to see occy health, so its all recorded other than the manager refusing me to see occy health.
As said, will go get proper advice.
And if appeal succeeds the i could go back to light duties and work my way back to the job/health.
Rather be working than on the sick and in pain after all.
If you could prove your employers negligence caused the injury then I would have thought it would be worth pursuing. If the injury is a result of a reasonable activity undertaken by others without problem then its not their fault.
Were there existing safe systems of work in place? Were you aware of them? And did you follow them?
Were there existing safe systems of work in place? Were you aware of them? And did you follow them?
smudgerebt said:
Its my right arm.
Never had any problems with it before.
Started working at place, and got Tennis Elbow (but in a nice latin word) numb hands (sumilar to carpel tunnel) and now looking at surgery because of it.
You were employed as an Acoount Manager and you have a physical injury by doing that role??Never had any problems with it before.
Started working at place, and got Tennis Elbow (but in a nice latin word) numb hands (sumilar to carpel tunnel) and now looking at surgery because of it.
I am surprised that such a role is so physical.
Did your doctor say your 'injury' was caused by your current role? Are you over 40 and use computer/play with your phone a lot? I ask because I've also recently had really painful tendons and tennis elbow, was told not much they can do about it unless I want injections and its just old'er' age kicking in with the type of job/hobbies I have. Unless you can tie it down to a specific instance I doubt you'd have much of a case.
It was also cost you I think £1200 to raise an unfair dismissal case - are you a member of a union?
It was also cost you I think £1200 to raise an unfair dismissal case - are you a member of a union?
Just some questions:
When did the injury at work occur?
Did you report this to H&S / HR?
Why did the manager deny you access to occ health?
Is there SOPs available at work?
Did the company inform you that they were unhappy with your absence prior to the dismissal? and in writing?
I would appeal based on the the following:
Work related injury, failure to provide reasonable access to available resources [Occ Health is the best way a company can monitor and judge the extent of the injury, so not sure why the manager refused?].
In reality, chances are they want to move on and tbh you haven't been there long enough to demonstrate your value to the business.
If it's RSI then this builds up over time so I would be interested in how it became an issue so quickly, but I am not an expert in body mechanics.
If you fail in your appeal then you may have a chance of an industrial injury claim but a suitable solicitor will advise you.
You have a right of appeal and should make the company know verbally asap, if you going to do so. Advise them that you will write in due course with the reasons for appeal.
When did the injury at work occur?
Did you report this to H&S / HR?
Why did the manager deny you access to occ health?
Is there SOPs available at work?
Did the company inform you that they were unhappy with your absence prior to the dismissal? and in writing?
I would appeal based on the the following:
Work related injury, failure to provide reasonable access to available resources [Occ Health is the best way a company can monitor and judge the extent of the injury, so not sure why the manager refused?].
In reality, chances are they want to move on and tbh you haven't been there long enough to demonstrate your value to the business.
If it's RSI then this builds up over time so I would be interested in how it became an issue so quickly, but I am not an expert in body mechanics.
If you fail in your appeal then you may have a chance of an industrial injury claim but a suitable solicitor will advise you.
You have a right of appeal and should make the company know verbally asap, if you going to do so. Advise them that you will write in due course with the reasons for appeal.
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